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House Republicans seek 80% cut to federal program for students from low-income families
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1) We spend more money per student than our peer countries, by A LOT. What we've gotten with the spending is much worse test scores.
When we see school districts closing AP and other honor programs because of equity, do you not see how, as a parent, you'd want more of a choice of sending your kids to better schools?
Basically, the argument from the left is that they want to control what the kids are learning, and can't control private/homeschooling education, and it might teach the kids something they don't want them to learn. Whether that's because they think the private schools are all religious cult institutions, or because they think every parent wants to homeschool their kids to be racist.
But regardless, the studies show that private schools and homeschooling is better for success of the individuals. Having ways that parents can have more of an option of a specialized school would be good for most families.
The general views have been that republicans are for parents being able to use their school funding for alternatives. The left is against that. That's how it is a 'left' thing.
I feel like your bias. You can recognize and criticize your own party. I promise, you don't have to just agree with everything they do.
In this situation, no, some would just be at different schools. Whether it's charter schools, private or home schooling.
I responded with several sources and points, showing that we've been spending more and more money, getting worse results and that private and homeschooling have shown to provide better equipped individuals to society. What do you think of these arguments?
@MasterObee Misread your post--apologies.
No shit. Guess who's more likely to attend a private school? People with money are and are likely going to be "more successful" regardless of where/if they go to school. They're also likely to have more free time and resources to use after-school test improvement courses. It's like saying "the children of billionaires are more likely to become at least be millionaires when they are adults."
Private education is not the cause of better outcomes. It is just a statistic with confounding factors. There's also a huge issue of private schools being for profit businesses, so looking good is important. They will remove poor performing students, and they will pass students who don't deserve it. There was at least one charter school that had almost no attendance but an almost 100% pass rate, because it was more profitable to pass them regardless and not enforce attendance.
Profit should not be the measure of success for a school, so why would we ever want to make that the case? The only reasons are either to line someone's pockets or to get more children to go to indoctrination chambers rather than places of education.
That said, there are plenty of issues with public education in the US. You point to how much we spend per student, but look at how little money teachers make. Things need to change for sure, but that isn't turning them into institutions for turning out money rather than good students. Just look at for-profit universities in the US. There are very few good ones and the vast majority of good universities are public. (You still have to pay tuition obviously, but they get some amount of public funding but have to conform to certain rules.)
Interesting, so people that have the ability to send their kids to different schools, like having a school choice, is having more input and the kids are provided better materials and resources than they are in public schools!
first off, not all private schools are for profit. Secondly, that's the point, they need to do well, or they don't make money. That's like saying 'dammit, apple only makes money because they provide a service that billions of people pay for and enjoy!! grrrr, I wish we just had one standard government phone for everyone!"
Really? You're saying the private schools are the issue with this? Public schools it's literally illegal to hold someone back.
And baltimore public schools produce illiterate kids. You think using one example to base your opinion off of all charter schools is okay? I'll do the same but can name hundreds of public schools.
I didn't. I made test scores and success in life a metric for it. Right now, schools are more segregated since they were literally segregated.
Your policy of forcing every kid to go to public school and requiring that parents will need to pay 40k to a private school to get a better education only hurts people. There are plenty of benchmarks we can require to ensure private schools take in students from different demographics. Right now a poor inner city kid is sent to a shitty inner city school, without an option to actually go to a good school. Give parents the option to do that.
How public schools are run aren't making good students. I want to switch it up by offering the choice for schools.
My app is removing everything I type when I scroll up, and I'm not going to work around that. Anyway, you're misrepresenting what I said, whether purposeful or not. People with resources and money will always have better outcomes no matter where they go to school. It just so happens that many (most) private schools have a barrier that prevents people without resources from attending, so private schools appear to do better because they have better outcomes, but it's by design. The design isn't that they're better educators either, it's that their choosing to only accept people who will already likely have better outcomes because of confounding factors.
I have addressed one way to get around that off the top of my head above. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways.