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The predominantly ludicrous lawmaker from Georgia did Biden a solid this weekend, telling Republicans the Democratic president is fiendishly attempting to make people's lives better.

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[–] fidelacchius 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Like him or hate him FDR was a great man. LBJ... Not so much.

Edit: u ppl dont understand the term 'great' in reference to historical figures. Got ppl whining about FDR and gooberment bad below. Great does not mean good or their actions were good.

[–] mycroft 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

https://www.ushistory.org/documents/economic_bill_of_rights.htm

FDR was an anti-semite, a bigot, and a racist. It doesn't change the great things he did, but he wasn't a great man. Our leaders are human, and in the 1940s that was the consensus of the ruling. The complete isolation and 2 class system he helped create by only granting whites GI loans and grants for education... He's responsible for the internment, coercion, and legal framework for stealing the property of over 200,000 Americans who looked like a reminder of our enemies... Completely snubbing our olympic medal winners, by ignoring Jesse Owens amazing wins and inviting white athletes to the white house instead... Not to mention perpetuating military unit segregation etc.

He was not a great man, but we were lucky he was able to make the changes Hoover had proposed. and to their conclusion in FDRs New Deal. Then the war breaking out meant he could turn the screws up and war production was able to finish the job even with scarcity et al, the production meant a better quality of life for americans.

[–] Nightwingdragon 9 points 2 years ago (6 children)

FDR was an anti-semite, a bigot, and a racist.

Serious question. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or trolling. Are you judging him based on 2023 standards or the 1930s? Because it's almost like comparing apples to oranges -- it was almost 100 years ago, and things that are considered blatantly racist by today's standards were often considered progressive by many at the time.

You also have to consider the fact that any kind of race relations, for lack of a better term, would not have been anywhere near as acceptable as it is today. Had he invited Owens to the WH or granted scholarships to black people, it could easily have caused a scandal that could have brought an end to his career. I'm not trying to justify it; I'm just saying that this is the reality of our society back in the 30s. Acceptance of minorities as equals in everyday life simply wasn't a thing back then.

A lot of people look back at history through a modern lens and act as if "they should have known better", without a full understanding that progress is incrimental and takes time. They also don't understand that even if people from back in that time wanted to do what we would consider today as the right thing, the reality of society at the time very likely would have prevented them from doing so.

[–] Mayoman68 2 points 2 years ago

One thing I also wonder is, does it matter? Things have definitely improved for marginalized groups over time, but I can probably find texts from 2000 years ago that talk about discrimination over immutable traits being wrong. Discriminating as a head of state with presumably good access to information is equally wrong at any point in time.

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