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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Conspiracies and conspiracy theories are two very different things. The reason people scoff at conspiracy theories is because they are often times wrong and/or vague. How many *verified conspiracies actually started as a 'conspiracy theory'.

Edit: * added for clarification

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

before snowden is was a conspiracy theory that the government is always listening to you

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

well there's a reason for that -- feeling like someone is reading your thoughts or that your will is controlled by someone else and so on are common presentations of schizophreniform disorders. they just made it fucking true!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Let's be fair, if I told you that a UFO cult led by a sci-fi writer performed a massive infiltration of the US government (the largest ever detected) in order to whitewash itself in official records you'd have thought I was wacko before Operation: Snow White came to light. The same UFO cult also had a number of their agents insert themselves into the life of a journalist who had written negative things about them in an attempt to get her to either off herself or be institutionalized, dubbed Operation: Freakout which was only uncovered in the aftermath of the discovery of Operation: Snow White.

The UFO cult in question is Scientology.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

How many verified conspiracies actually started as a 'conspiracy theory'.

All of them? If you're questioning the official narrative you're "just a conspiracy theorist" until proven right

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Actually 🤓 they rather start as undiscovered conspiracies until they leak enough to make people suspicious and form a theory

[–] theangryseal 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You know, I can’t stand dealing with a conspiracy theorist.

I understand why they’re crazy though.

Tuskegee syphilis experiment. MK Uktra. Snowden leaks. Various governments overthrown by the CIA.

I mean, people are crazy and evil knows no bounds.

That said, I prefer to look for the best in the world. I can understand getting lost in all that crap though. People are fucked up.

[–] andros_rex 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

With Tuskegee, the conspiratorial claim is often made that the men were deliberately infected. They were “just” not informed of their infected status and discouraged from seeking medical care elsewhere. This meant that they often ended up infecting their families.

I understand Black conspiracy theorists who have elaborate claims about Tuskegee - it was such a monstrous action and violation of trust that it is difficult to balance not minimizing it with being clear about what did/did not happen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Tuskegee is why I would understand some black people not wanting to trust in the covid-19 vaccine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

No. It's not a REAL conspiracy until the 4th Estate says so! They are the ones we should trust without question! They have NEVER proven themselves to be just another part of the control system!!