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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 month ago (5 children)

And that's the difference between classical conditioning (the dogs being trained to sensory input by Pavlov) and operant conditioning (Pavlov training himself through his own behavior).

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also good example of "closed systems" not existing outside of theory.

[–] Hackworth 3 points 1 month ago

I really wish this aspect was considered more often in pop sci discussions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

While it’s certainly possible that Pavlov ended up ‘doing’ operant conditioning on himself, I think something different is going on here. I think Pavlov is a victim of humanity’s language capabilities: we do not only link concepts on one direction (dogs -> bell) but do so bidirectionally (dogs <-> bell). There is a whole line of research that goes into how associations (which are the ones in classical and operant conditioning) are not the same as relations (which are the ones that we humans are proficient at, blessed with, and cursed with).

[–] GrammarPolice 2 points 1 month ago

If I'm not mistaken, operant conditioning takes place either through reinforcement or punishment. How does that play in here?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

yep that's the principle behind exposure therapy, particularly as a treatment for OCD and PTSD

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

both are classical