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submitted 3 days ago by [email protected] to c/microblogmemes

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cool story bro. Just say you don't believe that ADHD is real and we're all just addicts. You've clearly already made up your mind and you're cherry picking your sources to match your priors. There's not a damn thing I or anyone else is gonna say that is going to make you see that medication is an effective treatment option though it doesn't work for everyone.

[–] Dasus 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Cool story bro, just admit that you don't have the resources to have this conversation instead of defaulting to garbage like that.

You've bought into the propaganda because you've never ever questioned this. You've made up your mind and won't change it. I on the other hand, go with the evidence.

I'm sorry, English is my third language, is "overdiagnosed" synonymous with "fictional made up disease that's only an excuse to addict scum"?

I'm a proponent for the legalisation of all drug laws. A very strong advocate for it. I'm no "you shouldn't take pills" prude. But like I said, I understand you get defensive about this because you don't have any sort of resources in terms of even being able to discuss what I've said and you think I'm calling you an addict. I'm not. Since you can't discuss this rationally, there's very little point.

Or perhaps I'm mistaken and you too have gone over the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders from around the world in the past 30-50 years (there's kinda poor data when you try to go back further), checked the rate of growth, averaged it out and noted that while they all grow as there's more access to doctors, there's an explosive growth with ADHD and ADD medication. A growth that is unlikely to be explained by anything other than someone pushing them more than is warranted. In other words overdiagnosing.

But I'm open to other alternatives if you have an explanation?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your "resources" were one opinion piece in an Australian tabloid and two complete non sequitur links about the opioid crisis. Are there pill mills giving stimulants to anyone with a pulse? Sure. Doesn't take away from the efficacy of the medications. And it certainly doesn't mean that the advances in actually diagnosing a disorder is secretly an evil pharmaceutical cabal out to get kids hooked on speed. Gtfo

[–] Dasus -1 points 1 day ago

Ignoring the direct question and going for more "b-b-b-but no no no no I don't believe it." I'm not surprised.

You simply will not even consider that anything I say might even remotely be true. You utterly utterly refuse to. Without reason.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21382538/

Children with ADHD were significantly more likely to have ever used nicotine and other substances, but not alcohol. Children with ADHD were also more likely to develop disorders of abuse/dependence for nicotine, alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, and other substances (i.e., unspecified). Sex, age, race, publication year, sample source, and version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) used to diagnose ADHD did not significantly moderate the associations with substance outcomes that yielded heterogeneous effect sizes. These findings suggest that children with ADHD are significantly more likely to develop substance use disorders than children without ADHD and that this increased risk is robust to demographic and methodological differences that varied across the studies.