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[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

European support to Ukraine is a combined 250billion€, which is more then Ukraines GDP. Also Europe so far has not cared about the US cutting aid to Ukraine and the US did that in the past. What happened was an increase of European aid to Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not saying it's nothing, I'm saying it's meager. Europe had at least 10 years to prevent a war, but it didn't. Europe had the opportunity to prepare for one for the same amount of time, but it didn't. Europe had the opportunity to support Ukraine strike back hard and decisively few months after the war, but it didn't take it. Europe waited on the US to allow targeting Russian locations within Russia due to a lack of fear stemming from a lack of preparation. From the news reports, it seems more like this war is being treated as a testing ground for weapons, especially drones.

It doesn't seem like most of Europe has understood the threat that is posed by Russia. The Baltics, Finland, Sweden, and Poland have but the rest is either under the influence of Putin or otherwise occupied.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

You can not prevent a war with a mad country. They attack, when they want to and that is how wars start. The only way to make sure they can not do that again, is to destroy them. The Russian Empire died in WW1 due to a long costly war, the Soviet Union collapsed as it could no longer afford the long Cold War and now Russia has to collapse due to Ukraine. Russia can survive small wars fairly well. So this has to be extended, as victory has to be to destroy the Russian Federation.

However a quick war, like the Winter War, Polish Soviet War or the war against Japan, does hurt them, but does not destroy them. So your idea of a decisive strike would just cause another war in a decade. The current strategy can mean no war with Russia for decades or if we are lucky for even longer.