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The screenshot was taken from a live stream at 1:30pm on a Wednesday, not during long-weekend rush hour.

The Gardiner, just like the 401 and the DVP, are a traffic nightmare nearly all the time, yet they don't have bike lanes on them.

This isn't some strange coincidence or conspiracy.

Car dependency, rather than people riding bikes, taking public transit, or walking, is the real problem causing traffic and gridlock.

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[–] alexc 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You want bike lanes on the DVP, Gardner and 401? You’re far braver than I am.

Even if the city did add lanes, it likely would not fix this mess. Public transport is required for a city this size.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think OP is just pointing out that bike lanes aren't the source of all traffic, as the recently passed Bill 212 tries to say. Even without any bike infrastructure, the Gardner is jam packed, and it's not even rush hour.

[–] alexc 1 points 1 week ago

100% percent agreed with that point, but I also believe that bill was about downtown roads. The Gardner is a highway.

The intersection just underneath there (around Spadina down to Lakeshore) is worse. That does have a bike lane IIRC but it’s rare to see anyone use it. Taking the bike lanes out isn’t going to make anything better for anyone

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