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[–] partial_accumen 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have something more recent that 1939?
smile do you? do you see the problem with the fact you need to go back that far to find anything that helps American’s that you think I’ll accept.

I don't need to. I see lots of things, including the ACA, that helped working Americans. However, you say that doesn't by your measure. So I'm asking you to give an example of your measure to better understand your point of view. Thats how we learn about each other's views when they aren't apparent.

The list I mentioned above isn’t some unattainable goal.

So it sounds like you're saying nothing has been passed in the USA in the last 85 years since FDR's New Deal that qualifies for your measure of "helping working Americans".

many countries already have accomplished these things for their people.

Okay, thank you. That informs me of your position. I appreciate the time you've taken to share your views.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don’t need to.

I didnt say you needed to. I was asking if you could think of any. that was the point.

we clearly disagree on ACA. it, like many bills such as PACT, have limited impact on the american worker. its only real win was ending absolutely inhuman practices from the insurance industry, but even those practices only impacted a small minority. the insurance markets it set up are an absolute mess of overpriced trash and the resulting system it created where insurance companies benefit by paying hospitals/pharma more for care.

These type of bills shouldn't be hard to recognize which is why you having issues pointing to any is so damning. I would have put student loan forgiveness in the category if it actually got done, or a min wage increase, or anything from the list i mentioned. but you wont find anything remotely comparable for almost 80 years.

[–] partial_accumen -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don’t need to.

I didnt say you needed to. I was asking if you could think of any. that was the point.

You're asking me about what passed legislation I believe meets your vague generalizations of approval? What kind of game is that? You still haven't answered the question and we're on the third time I would be asking it with me still only guessing the New Deal meets your measure.

I don't actually care about trying to tease your answer out of you anymore. The best I can tell is that you haven't liked anything in the last 85 years. Its too much effort to try to figure out more from you on that. Its enough to tell me everything I needed to know about your position. You're welcome to your opinion and position. I'm not interested in learning any more about about it though. You're welcome to continue to reply to this, but I'm I won't be engaging anymore. Have a great day!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You’re asking me about what passed legislation I believe meets your vague generalizations of approval? What kind of game is that?

Its a way for you to demonstrate your position and for me to critique it. exactly the way I did your original list. If you can't point to anything that only demonstrates the point I was making and why the democrats have continued to lose elections to fucking fascists.

Remember its not my job to defend the your position. My point in its entirety is that you can't point to any bill within my life time that actually substantially improved the quality of life for workers at large. ACA didn't do that, We havent had labor or work reforms in my entire life.

And its not a lack of power, I'd be willing to accept state level labor reforms too!

The best I can tell is that you haven’t liked anything in the last 85 years.

A safe assumption w/ respect to american workers quality of life! Do you consider this a problem? I certainly do. And there are plenty of bills I'm supportive of over my life as 'better than we had' or 'good economically as a whole' but none that improve american workers quality of life or economic well being. Hell we just saw the biden administration break a union strike.

This is why the democrats keep losing, add in a little genocidal support, imprisoning Palestinian protesting students, and shocked pikachu who would have guessed the result.