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Temo didn't figure his vote for President Donald Trump would affect them personally. That was before the enforcement of Mr. Trump's "zero tolerance" policy toward illegal immigrants.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I get that though. If a country endorses that, you're inviting more people to break the law, get in the country, then apply for citizenship.

Also, what happened to green cards? A non-legal citizen marries a legal one, and eventually they get citizenship. Is that not a thing anymore?

[–] roguetrick 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You need an immigrant visa to start getting a green card. Technically a green card is a visa, really. It's a whole change of status thing that is quite Byzantine.

And in general, I do not see the punitive value of breaking up families. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because you're sending a message that it's ok to break the law as long as you eventually are in compliance with the law. This is a complicated situation, especially when you have a wife/husband and children involved. I won't pretend to have all the answers. Obviously no one is happy when a family of many years is separated, but this person knew what they were doing was wrong (from a legal perspective), and did it anyway. Just like breaking any other law, there are consequences for our actions.

[–] roguetrick 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

In this case we're creating all the social ills and costs that broken families entails, being monsters, and punishing frankly a minority of those that lack status. All for a bad policy. I mean, you yourself thought there was a pathway when we started this conversation because obviously that's the most humane and sensible thing to do.