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And I'm being serious. I feel like there might be an argument there, I just don't understand it. Can someone please "steelman" that argument for me?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (11 children)

To start, we have to understand that the genocide of Palestine started before the October 7th attacks. Israel's rampant illegal settlements in the Gaza strip may have been the final straw that provoked Hamas to make a move, but Palestinians have been abused, forced into ghettos, and murdered by private citizens for decades. All of this, and nobody in the West ever really batted an eye at the suffering except for a handful of informed leftists.

If Harris had won, the most likely outcome is that the immediate conflict would eventually be paused, just like it paused after the second intifadas. No land would be returned, no settlements removed, but Hamas' forces would be decimated to the point they could not fight back and Israel would return to their quiet slow genocide until the stars align to renew their attack once more.

Now that Trump has won, the most likely outcome is...that the immediate conflict will eventually pause, just like it paused after the second intifadas. Israel isn't an island, if they ramp up their aggression ever further, eventually other parts of the world will push for sanctions on Israel. A Trump win doesn't suddenly give Israel carte blanch to build the gas chambers, they still have to pay lip service to international law. Israel will inflict a grievous wound on Hamas, deep enough that it will take another generation before conflict resumes, and go back to expanding their settlements.

This genocide has been happening since before I was born, and multiple Democrat presidents have had an opportunity to say something or work towards curbing Israeli aggression. They've all vaguely promised to work towards a two-state solution, knowing that the current two states are what they want. If Kamala Harris couldn't even call it a genocide, then she was no different, and it would be foolish to think she would actually take any steps towards meaningfully stopping Israel.

[–] derf82 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

So, you’re counting on Trump, known for racist, anti-Muslim rhetoric, will do no different than Harris? Ridiculous. Trump doesn’t care, and it’s clear Bibi doesn’t care.

Also, that doesn’t tell me how that protest vote does anything. If the result is the same, then at least go for the person that won’t destroy even more lives.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I'm not counting on Trump for anything. I'm expecting other member states of the UN and especially the EU to act as the actual hard line for Israel, as they have for the past five decades. It's already starting to happen, and once sanctions are in place Bibi will finally start to become unpopular and can finally be replaced.

It'd be very nice if those sanctions started with the U.S., but it was never going to happen under either party. The number of lives lost will be the same. The U.S. has never been what has stopped Israel, it has always been global perception.

[–] derf82 -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m betting he helps complete the genocide. And I no longer have any sympathy for it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Couldn't hide the mask for long eh

[–] derf82 -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I feel that way because you helped Trump.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm an asian living in asia.

For context for others, this freak was calling for genocide of Palestinians because his incompetent party loosed to a guy with 40 or so criminal cases. Catch a clue idiot.

[–] derf82 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lies! I’m not calling for genocide. I oppose genocide, I oppose the war. But the fact people like you think Trump is the same as Harris erodes that sympathy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stfu. You literally called for it and the comment was deleted by the mod. Eat shit asshole.

[–] derf82 1 points 1 month ago

I see no deleted comment. In any case, I said Trump would help do it. Not that I supported it.

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