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both parties experienced depressed voter turnout compared to 2020. trump lost about 5m compared to his 2020 numbers, but the Dems lost about 20m compared to 2020. people are not going to get out and vote for a Diet Republican campaign that ignores their concerns to court a mythical moderate conservative population that both does not exist, and would not vote for them if they did. it's the EXACT same unforced error they made in 2016, and it caused a complete collapse of the democrat voter base.

Go ahead and blame the Democrats

I will. they ran an absolute dogshit campaign with no intention of winning, to appease their donors, which cost them the election. everything that happens under trump is on their hands. for a party supposedly fighting against the rise of fascism, they didn't try very hard at all.

Trump got fewer votes than in 2024. Dems ran a pro-genocide empty suit that did not distinguish themselves from a disliked incumbent and got even fewer votes than Clinton in 2016.

And the party itself doesn't really care that they lost aside from how it impacts individuals' careers. They are not your friends or allies. They probably would've won if they just had Harris pander on Gaza and introduce 1 (1) major policy plank people could grab on to. She wouldn't have even followed up on either one of those topics, it would've just been the usual false promises and it probably would've worked. That is how closely they stuck to the donor class: they could not even construct their usual bad faith strategies. So instead you got Liz Cheney constantly on the campaign trail, lmao.

I've asked 4 Harris voters irl to name a single major policy plank and they each just plain went silent for around 10 seconds.

If you want to actually fight for yout causes, it is important to look at this with clear eyes. The failures of the Democrat political class are not your failures. They don't listen to you and you had no input whatsoever on theit policy platform or choice of candidate. You don't need to defend their failures or act like they don't bear responsibility for running historically unlikable campaigns and candidates. Just because there is a dang cheeto does not mean Dems are redeemable for what they do. It has been a year of naked genocide and they demanded your complicity and still lost.

To oppode the right it is necessary to join and build othrt organizations, organizations grounded in working class power.

So what do you propose should be done to combat the rise of fascism? Nothing? Roll over and die? If the popularity of fascism continues to rise you're saying the democratic party should continue doing the same thing that they've always done? Your defense of fascism is to continue the same political strategy that keeps losing to it?

It is, actually, when they were running a fascist with a blue pin. A tough on immigration prosecutor hanging around with Liz Cheney and promising to continue the Gaza genocide (with trademark democrat speak to make it sound like that's not quite what she said).

Obama bragged about being good at killing people, Hillary laughed aloud about the torture of Gaddafi for the crime of not selling his people to US corporations, Bill Clinton massively incarcerated black people labeling them super predators.

Half the US did vote for fascists, the other half stayed at home.

They should have changed their strategy so that people that like fascism vote for them instead of a fascist

That was their strategy.

Yeah its like a bully beats you up on your way to school every day and another offers to walk you to school but while walking to school the bully knocks him down and manages to grab you before the other kid pulls him off and your all like. You did not do a good enough job as that grab was pretty scary so im going to go back to being straight beat up and its your fault I get beat up.