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[–] UsernameHere 27 points 2 weeks ago (32 children)

“Voters voted for the choice furthest to the right because they wanted the choice on the left to be more left”

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

People didn't vote. Significantly less turnout this year than 2020. Further left is more exciting than an idiot chasing endorsement from Republicans.

It's stupid, but if people weren't stupid Trump wouldn't have been a candidate.

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[–] pjwestin 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. People want a populous movement. In the absence of left-wing populism (like socialist reforms), they will take right win populism (fascism).

[–] UsernameHere 6 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Democrats campaigned on making billionaires pay their fair share and addressing health care and student loans etc so socialist reforms. But the majority of voters were still convinced that that would make them worse off unfortunately.

[–] BlueMacaw 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That might have been in the footnotes of the DNC platform, but Kamala said none of that.

Here's a quote from Stephen Semler's newsletter:

For example, in this video clip, Stephen Colbert asks Harris, "Under a Harris administration, what would the major changes be and what would stay the same?" Harris replies: "Sure. Well, I mean, I'm obviously not Joe Biden. So that would be one change. But also I think it's important to say with 28 days to go, I'm not Donald Trump."

First, that doesn’t answer the question. Second, that description applies to literally everyone except for Joe Biden and Donald Trump. This is the quality of candidate you get when the Democratic Party chooses one for you.

https://www.stephensemler.com/p/a-couple-charts-to-explain-a-harris?publication_id=37298&post_id=151256232>>

[–] UsernameHere 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When it was being discussed who would replace Biden before he dropped out, many black abd female voters were pissed it was even up for discussion considering Kamala was the vice president. They saw it as her job to be next in line after Biden.

If someone else was chosen all those votes would’ve been lost and we would still have lost.

[–] BlueMacaw 7 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Since we lost anyways, I would have preferred to have an actual primary process, even if it was a very abbreviated one at the convention. Destroying democracy to save democracy never made sense to me.

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[–] Anticorp 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did they? If they did, then they did a terrible job of it, since many people didn't hear that message. The message that everyone heard over and over again is "I'm not trump". Besides, promising to get rid of student loans as a campaign promise when you just spent 4 years proving that you can't really deliver on that promise seems unwise.

[–] UsernameHere 2 points 2 weeks ago

They did and it was loud and clear and everyone I know that voted republican did so because they thought democrats were bad for the economy and polls showed that.

You’re scapegoating democrats for not doing enough when really there just wasn’t enough voters that supported them because of right wing propaganda.

[–] pjwestin 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (19 children)

Key word being, "addressing." Medicare for All? Nope. They're going to address healthcare costs. Student loans insanely expensive for the majority of Americans? They already tried addressing it. What are they going to do? Eliminate the filibuster to pass legislation? Stack the Supreme Court?

They've been a little better on taxing the wealthy, but raising taxes doesn't mean much if you believe the revenue is going towards the military industrial complex or, "woke," agenda, based on your political leanings.

Liberal half measures aren't going to work anymore. They need a full-blown progressive agenda and the balls to ram it through whatever institution is in their way.

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[–] Evolith 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Biden campaigned on similar promises and ideals like resolving student debt and improving the economy. Even personally relevant promises like creating a public health jobs corps (relevant to my degree and field of study). The only thing he sufficiently accomplished were the initial vaccination efforts, but it's as if we stopped having an actual president into and after 2022: The filthy rich managed to get exponentially richer with this war-supply economy and stock market presidency. My student debt is still a burden in the back of my mind and all of my available graduate-entry jobs are either severely underpaid or shilled out to robots that also vet my applications. Until the war profiteer and stock market billionaires actually pay their fair share (which they should have been a few years ago) or provide citizens with jobs that can sustain a healthy living, any good socialist promises that are made are flat-out lies because senility and flacid mental acuity won't even be a valid excuse anymore.

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[–] K1nsey6 1 points 1 week ago

And all of that populist talk came to a grinding halt once companies like Black Rock started drafting economic policy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Less people voted Trump in 2024 than in 2020. It is not that Trump won, it is that Biden/Harris lost hard.

Trump: 74 Mio. in 2020, 73 Mio. in 2024

Biden/Harris: 81 Mio. in 2020, 69 Mio. in 2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election

[–] UsernameHere 0 points 2 weeks ago

Less people voted overall in 2024. That’s less for Trump and Harris. Because 2020 was the highest voter turnout ever. It was record breaking because of the pandemic. Without another motivator as big as the pandemic you’re going to see less voters for both Trump and Harris. You’re also going to see many different reasons claiming why. But it’s a fact that if you don’t have record breaking overall voter turnout in 2024 also, both sides will lose voters.

[–] Anticorp 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I know someone who didn't vote and gave this exact logic.

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