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UN secretary general visits Russia for BRICS summit despite Kyiv's criticism
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this post was submitted on 23 Oct 2024
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That's never stopped us humans before. Germans are nice people, too. And Palestinians, for that matter - and yet Oct. 7 happened. Regardless of what the Torah says, we're not special of different from the rest.
Look, it's easy enough to make make wild assumptions, but at that point you're on the same level with the one-state-solution people. I want my government to treat this like every other international ethnic conflict, because that's what it is. Putting the Bosnians or Serbs individually in charge of the former Yugoslavia wouldn't have been good, and neither will helping the Israelis do whatever they want.
I never said we're special. But if the IDF is telling people to move out of harm's way in the middle of a war, the simplest and most likely explanation is that they don't want to kill those people.
Unfortunately this is not like every other ethnic conflict. That's where the left is wrong, thinking this is just the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and we can sort it out with diplomacy. Those of us who understand the broader context don't see it as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict but the Israel/Iran war. This is about a genocidal Islamist regime that wants Israel literally destroyed and is willing to destroy countries and sacrifice their people (Palestinians, Lebanon, Syria) to accomplish that goal. *They're *the bad guys here.
So do you think if the Iranian government fell (not far fetched, as you mentioned - they're domestically unpopular), the issue would go away? I really don't. They're part of it, but it seems more like opportunism to gain support and influence than anything else.
Over the long term, yes.
There will always be jihadists and Islamist terrorists will always exist on a small scale, but without the backing of Iran none of it would exist on a scale that can threaten Israel or other countries in the region. The moderate Sunni countries like SA would become the main Muslim influence in the region and could help bring the Middle East into a new era of peace and prosperity.
Saudi is moderate on Israel, I guess, but they're even more brutal than Iran in most other ways. The Middle East is a rough neighborhood.
That's a pretty strong claim, and seems to fly in the face of the fact that there's more Arabs than Iranians out there by far. The Iranian revolution was in the mid 70's. You know Israel had to fight for it's existence several times before that, right? The borders everyone is telling Israel to respect are the 1967 ones, even...
Yes, the Middle East is a rough, regressive, oppressive neighborhood. Islam has a lot to do with that.
But there are Muslim countries that have shown an interest in at least progressing from the most archaic and extreme interpretations of Islam. Those countries are pursuing normalization with Israel not because they suddenly like Jews, but because they respect the strength and prosperity of Israel and recognize it as a valuable partner for their own national development. These countries have put their past conflicts with Israel behind them.
Ironically, the people of Iran are among the least antisemitic in that part of the world. They scored lower on the ADL Global 100 than Greece!
Islam is slightly remixed Judaism. It's annoying when Christians do this, and it's annoying if Jews do this, too. Islamic civilisation was better and more progressive than the ones in Europe for a long time, even.
I really hope you stick to this line in the future, I guess. If you're right, everything will be fine. If I'm right and you stay true to it, we'll be on the same side shortly.