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[–] jordanlund 109 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

"A complete consistency (either within the compass of the Silmarillion itself or between The Silmarillion and other published writings of my father's) is not to be looked for, and could only be achieved, if at all, at heavy and needless cost."

  • Christopher Tolkien
    The Silmarillian Forward, 1977
[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Needless cost?

That is just so what a nerd (Tolkien) would say about other needs nerding out.

Just let us nerd, ok?!

[–] jordanlund 9 points 6 days ago

I think he means in terms of time. In order to make it fully consistent, you'd have to have some kind of index and go through line by line making sure everything is saying the same thing.

Oh, wait...

[–] WillBalls 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's similar to searching for consistencies amongst any mythology, which is what Tolkien was attempting to create. Tales will always change over time, and they'll always shift focus to what the teller determines is important. As focuses of a society shift, so do the focuses of its related mythology. In this way, I think Tolkien did an excellent job creating a united mythos for England in all the different versions of his legendarium. As the tales evolved, consistencies emerged elements which were formerly key, were discarded, and internal references became more commonplace than external references (see Tolkien's influences from William Morris and Icelandic, Celtic, Germanic, and Anglo Saxon epics)

[–] jordanlund 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That was the challenge Christopher noted in the forward to the Silmarillion. J.R.R. had started working it in 1917, and kept making changes right up until his death in 1973.

So he had 56 years worth of papers, and notes, lots of it hand written, to try to kind of reconcile into a single work.

[–] WillBalls 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's been a few years since I've read the foreword to the Silmarillion, but I'm glad I'm consistent with Christopher's analysis 😁

[–] jordanlund 9 points 1 week ago

Helps that I literally just read it the day before this post! LOL.