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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

No, air conditioning is rare in Europe. Pretty much only hotels have it, and by far not all hotels. About 5% of private residences have A/C, even in southern regions of France, Spain and Italy.

Source: Wikipedia, and my kid that went to Italy and Greece and Germany for the previous few summers worth of heat waves.

Edit: Formal, government supplied cooling centers are a CA thing. Informal ones like shopping centers are more widespread in the U.S., but don't really exist in Europe.

[–] negativeyoda 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't even matter all that much. A couple years ago in the PNW when it hit 43°c/115°f, I had my central air absolutely kicking out the jams and it was still 90°f in my house. I got really annoyed before coming to the realization that it was 25° cooler inside which is honestly a pretty decent effort on behalf of my AC. There's no reason it should be this hot anywhere, but especially Cascadia. Of course my AC couldn't handle it because it wasn't designed to. Even a decade ago you'd think someone was nuts if they installed an AC capable of dealing with this anywhere except say Arizona or Florida

[–] Thadrax 2 points 1 year ago

AC doesn't just help with temperature though, it also helps with humidity if it is a humid heat outside. Makes it much more bearable even if the temperature difference might not be huge.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

5% lol you're way off. If you're that far off for Spain, I have to wonder if your arse was also the source for the figures for the other countries.

https://www.idealista.com/news/inmobiliario/vivienda/2021/07/15/791442-el-36-de-las-casas-en-espana-tiene-aire-acondicionado

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

My understanding is that it is more common in offices, though, than in residences.

[–] delirium 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah its pretty standard to have in offices and shops, but not in apartments or houses. I've seen couple of ceiling fans in Spain, but here in France some people don't even use regular floor fans for some reason lol

To be honest, we only get 2 hot months in a year (usually, though its starting to change and now its more like 3 hot months where 2 are extra hot)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to specifically not want A/C in my cars back in the 90s living in Denver. It was never hot enough to need it. In the past years I've spent quite a few days sitting in stopped traffic in my open Jeep with the thermometer reading 104-107F. Once was behind an uncovered manure truck. Good times, good times.

Where I live now (further north from CO) there's a massive junk yard with thousands of snowmobiles. Apparently my current area used to be a mecca for snowmobiling in the 70s and 80s, with 1500 miles of snowmobile trails. It snows maybe 3 times a year now, average of 10 inches total per season. Neighbors all around me have every kind of motor toy imaginable, but I have not seen a single snowmobile. My snowblower hasn't been seen use in over 4 years, and the city routinely forgets how to plow or sand streets.

Weather definitely got hotter year round over 3-4 decades. I'll fight fellow Gen-X and boomers over this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It really shouldn't even be a fight... we've had accurate thermometers for a long time now, and weather stations all over the world at airports at the very least. Taking an average of the temperatures around the world isn't really some crazy advanced science.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Here in Germany not even offices have them. Well, most of them. AC is a luxury that no one needed like 5 years ago. 5 years in the future this will have changed, obviously.

[–] kimchi_boy 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you installing A/C? Or, at least a portable unit? I hope you guys can stay cool. It took me quite a while to become acclimated to no ac after I moved there for a number of years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I bought a portable unit last year and used it for the hottest days, as I was working from home in a small room which heats up quickly.

I also bought it for safety reasons, we are for people in our household and in case a long lasting heat wave comes we at least have the means to cool down one room for the night where we all can sleep.

[–] Thadrax 2 points 1 year ago

I've thought about it in recent years but so far, at least where I live, it is still manageable without. Days where it doesn't cool down enough during the night to survive the next day (opening/shutting windows and blinds) are still rare and don't last more than a few days at a time and it takes a bit for the house to really heat up.

If/when that changes and heat waves with still hot/humid nights get more common or longer, I'll have to get a solution for at least a room or two.

[–] kimchi_boy 2 points 1 year ago

Are you installing A/C? Or, at least a portable unit? I hope you guys can stay cool. It took me quite a while to become acclimated to no ac after I moved there for a number of years.

[–] robocall 1 points 1 year ago

Offices are ideal because it is hotter in the daytime than at night.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Greece

You'd have to search A LOT to find a hotel without AC in Greece, except maybe in very mountainous areas. It is probably in 90%+ of the homes on cities and it becomes more and more widespread even in villages and towns where you would never need it a few years ago. The; have been popular for more than 30 years in Greece

[–] DazedQuasar 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm Italian, lived both in big cities and in small villages, both in the north and the south of the country: basically every office has AC, never saw an hotel with no AC and I'd say at least 50% of private residences have it.

AC in private residences has become much more common in the last years due to the climate crisis but 5% would've been way off even 20 years ago. Your data is definitely incorrect

Edit: https://www.qualenergia.it/articoli/meta-famiglie-italiane-ha-condizionatore-ecco-come-usa/ some data. About 50% of private italian households have AC, with obvious differences between regions and local climates.