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This is the real Kamala Harris – a friend to Israel, war mongers and big business, an enemy to working class people. We need a new system! #VoteSocialistArtCall (lemmy.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is nothing in my attitude that is about that. Please do your best to not lie.

[–] irmoz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not lying. I'm telling you my honest impression that arises from your insistence on this question, in this context.

When I see you asking if it's okay to support genocide or vote for genocidal candidates, I'm not seeing that in a vacuum, am I? Are you asking me to see that question in a vacuum? Because you asked it in a thread about the US election. It seems obvious to conclude that this question is connected to the US election, not some other hypothetical election where it might be possible to successfully vote away genocide.

So, like you begged me to, I ask - are you actually trying to ask that question in a vacuum, disconnected from current events? That's the only way it makes sense to me, but if that's the case it seems a pointless question in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not lying. I'm telling you my honest impression that arises from your insistence on this question, in this context.

Nah you're making up a story and believing it despite correction. Or, as a shorthand: lying.

[–] irmoz 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, that is literally the "knee-jerk reaction" I had on reading your initial question which I responded to. I saw what looked like someone boiling the election down to a simple vote for or against genocide, or at least making it sound like it was possible to vote genocide away.

Why else do you think I called you naive for thinking it's so simple?

What, then, do you think I was saying, there, in my initial response to you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are describing your process of making a guess. You are leaving out the part where you have been corrected and are now doubling down on the truth of your guess.

You know, lying.

[–] irmoz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You are describing your process of making a guess.

...yes? I guessed at your intention.

You are leaving out the part where you have been corrected

Because that's not the part of the dialogue I am presently describing. I am explaining my initial assumption, because you are trying to claim it is a new invention.

are now doubling down on the truth of your guess.

....no? I'm just explaining what it was. Why do you think I said "what looked like"??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Because that's not the part of the dialogue I am presently describing. I am explaining my initial assumption, because you are trying to claim it is a new invention.

No, you are calling this your ongoing criticism.

It is in exactly this context that they cannot imagine doing anything other than voting for their team. They already think of themselves as acting against genocide by voting for a genocidal candidate, in fact. Have you not seen this?

It is exactly this attitude I criticise - in you, as well.

There is no voting that will stop this genocide.

I am not going to explain linear time again. You are again presenting contradictory narratives because you cannot rationalize your own statements but you are simultaneously so defensive of them that you can't just acknowledge your mistake and move on.

I will not be replying further in this particular comment chain. This is beyond repetitive and you need to do self-crit instead of saying nonsense and forcing me to do the crit for you.