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[–] Podunk 15 points 3 months ago (17 children)

Theres no problem with susan. C.S. Lewis was using narnia as a very christian metaphor, for... come to think of it, lots of things. Included in that metaphor was a Peter Pan esque commentary of childhood. Susan grew up too fast. Thats it. Flawed as it may be, thats the bit. Misogynistic as is seems on reflection, i dont think it was intended that way.

Boys never grow up. If you have full grown man in your life, you already know this.

If you dont, you are missing out. Want to have a child without actually having a child? Make guy friends. Everything will make sense after that.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 21 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Included in that metaphor was a Peter Pan esque commentary of childhood. Susan grew up too fast.

One of the reasons The Last Battle soured me on the series was the way in which they applied these increasingly unpleasant purity tests to the accumulated cast of characters.

Boys never grow up. If you have full grown man in your life, you already know this.

One of the messages of "The Problem with Susan" was that pain is the source of maturity. You tend to see this in older people because they've experienced more of it.

Grown men who don't act particularly mature are ones who have led relatively charmed existences. But there are plenty who have a sobriety and seriousness about them. You'll inevitably find some kind of trauma behind each of these folks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I was just thinking about all the young people who were in WW1 and WW2.

TRAUMA has a maturing effect, whether one desires it or not.

[–] kofe 3 points 3 months ago

This really depends long-term. Not everyone that experiences trauma develops PTSD, but at least speaking for myself, I've had a few decades of hopelessness, helplessness, and a lot of general emotional immaturity for my age. Particularly since so much of it occurred when I was a kid and heard the line about being mature...I regress to that childish mindset often in my 30s still. It's taken a lot of effort to develop the social support I've needed in conjunction with therapy and education to even start the process of actively healing rather than just surviving.

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