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Let's say I decide I've had enough with this whole Federation business and that humanity would be better represented by a Starfleet that follows my particular ideology. Assuming I could get enough people for crew and support, why can't I start my own Starfleet?

I could replicate ship parts until I have a couple vessels. Go to new worlds and present myself as the official first contact of humanity. I could fly to Vulcan or Bajor and tell them no actually my organization represents humanity.

What's going to stop me?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Raw material, I would imagine. I don't remember exactly how replicators work in the Star Trek universe, but they either rely on energy, a raw base material, or both. You can't create something out of nothing so you would need a significant supply chain to produce your fleet.

If it were that easy, every rogue organization in the galaxy would have already done it before you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep, raw material and a net energy loss.

The Federation might have both in abundance, but I highly doubt that much energy consumption is allowed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

a net energy loss

Like... some energy just gets destroyed in the process? How does that work?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

It gets converted into another form, as in the operation of any machine. I'm not arguing that it's destroyed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Laws of Thermodynamics say you will always lose some energy to heat when energy is used to affect a change. I have to imagine this would be particularly so when energy is converted to matter since that's very involved, but I'm not a physicist so I can't confirm that.

Come to think of it, this means that industrial replication plants and shipyards would likely be incredibly hot places, due to the inevitable loss to heat in replicating massive components.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

i'm sure the federation has good heat pumps and such

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My understanding is that replicators restructure atoms. In which case an asteroid would be plenty of material for a ship, even if some of it is lost in the process.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

OK cool, now if only you had a ship to go get the asteroid so you could make a ship. My last point still stands though, if it were really that easy...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sisko built a ship that could travel between planets and it didn't even have an engine....

[–] JWBananas 10 points 2 weeks ago

He also launched it from a space station.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Could I replicate charged batteries, then plug them in? Or would it take more energy to make the battery than you could get out of it? After all a battery is just a chemical reaction.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

That would violate the laws of thermodynamics, you can’t create more energy in a closed system.