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A lot of the things we do on a daily or weekly basis have ways of doing them that can either be private or communal, some of these which we do not think to consider as having that characteristic.

For example, bathing in the Roman Empire used to be communal, but then Rome fell and citizens in the splinter countries began taking baths privately.

Receiving mail is another example. There are countries which don't have mailboxes and everyone gets their mail at the post office in the PO boxes. It was the United States which pioneered the idea of the modern mail system, which is why we associate it as a private act.

There are activities as well which don't have any history as jumping between one or the other that might benefit from it, for example I think towns might benefit if internet was free and freely accessible but only at the local library.

What's a non-communal aspect of life you think should be communal?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

A couple of ideas:

  • Home Ownership. I know condos exist, but it seems to me that we need a solution for home ownership that is accessible and ecologically viable. Traditional houses (and even duplex's/townhomes) are massively inefficient from a climate perspective, not to mention the space requirements and cost.

  • Child rearing. In college, I learned that children were typically raised by multiple neighbors, in order to lessen the strain on parents. I think it is unrealistic and unhealthy to expect people to nearly kill themselves attempting to raise a child for the first couple of years.

  • Recreation space. I realize this is mostly an American thing, but lawns are a colossal waste of space. To be of any use at all, they have to be at least half an acre, and realistically, there's no reason every single family needs their own outdoor recreation space. Plus, a tiny minority of people even use them these days.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I know condos exist,

What's your objection to condos in this case?

I live in an apartment co-op which in many ways is excellent. Highly efficient in both energy, economy and effort required from me. I'm not sure that I'll ever want to live in a house, this is probably the ideal state for me.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

It may not be the case everywhere, but here condos are kind of a shit deal. They cost as much as a small house, they're very difficult to sell, and the board can force you to renovate your unit out of your own pocket.

The last one doesn't sound bad, but a big reason to buy a home is to fix your living expenses for retirement, and being told to tear out your flooring because Shelly upstairs likes muave and all units must now have muave floors can be a real problem.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's worth pointing out the difference between condos and a co-op - here condos can be over 200k, which can be prohibive, whereas the buy-in for a co-op apartment is like 10k.

Co-ops are truly the way to go for housing.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

200k or more is pretty normal for a unit in a coop here as well. Unfortunately.

Financialization of housing was a huge mistake, one we will pay for the rest of our lives.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sheesh! What's the difference between co-op vs condo for you?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

That the buildings are owned by the collective of the tenants, which they are in this case.

[โ€“] Lux18 3 points 2 months ago

Child rearing.

Daycare.

Recreation space.

Parks.

[โ€“] jaxxed 1 points 2 months ago

Y''all don't have community/rec centers?