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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

See the explanation in the source article https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/12/starlink-russia-ukraine-elon-musk/

It is pretty much what was answered to you, when it's on the frontline it is very hard to know if it's Ukrainian or Russian usage, even in Russia now that the Ukrainians did an incursion. Ukrainian themselves are worried to be cutoff by geo fencing.
About the billing account, there is a well organized black market that will use European identities and bank accounts before selling the service to Russians.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

there is a well organized black market that will use European identities and bank accounts before selling the service to Russians.

I don't think people would particularly mind if their Portuguese account didn't work, specifically, on the Ukrainian front line. Unless they're Russian soldiers in which case boo-hoo. The only accounts who should work anywhere close to the Ukrainian-Russian border should be Ukrainian army ones.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Also, like... who fucking cares? Take them down anyway. Let them lose their internet, and then find out exactly why. They should be informed about the services they're paying for.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I feel like they’ve got to have something like MAC address filtering that they could easily employ in combination with geofencing. Specifically, have the Ukrainians give the MACs of transceivers they’re using in/near contested areas, and only let those have connectivity. To not have that would be kinda insane.

Also, Musk just doesn’t want to, because he thinks it’s better if the Russians win.

Really a bit shocked the DoD isn’t stepping in over this matter and how he’s handling it.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's paywalled. And I'm pretty sure they could work with the Ukrainian military so they can say "turn it off over in this place."

[–] Badeendje 8 points 2 months ago

Don't they control this via subscription? Geolocation + not Ukrainian military = disable

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

While Russian companies and individuals are not authorized to sell Starlink, a gray market has emerged, fueled by the high demand from military forces and private buyers.

The Post reviewed four of the many Russian sites offering direct sales for the “special military operation,” the Kremlin’s euphemism for the war. Most terminals are sold through Telegram and start their journey in the Moscow area, before being funneled to the front.

One site offers a terminal and connection fees starting at just above $1,000. Customer service is free, and each client receives recommendations “to minimize risks of blocking,” the page notes, with glowing video testimonials from soldiers.

“We have been using Starlink for about a month. No complaints, the speed is good,” one review said, showing a terminal covered in camouflage. “Technical support works great.”

“The internet is flying, the men are happy,” another said. “Gentlemen, I recommend!”

To activate a device, users need a foreign phone number, email address and bank account to pay the monthly subscription fee, prompting suppliers to seek out people willing to lend their identities. Users in “client support” Telegram chats say it is easy to buy and register Starlink kits abroad. Most are obtained in Europe and transported through the United Arab Emirates. One page warns not to activate the terminal in Russia.

One supplier advised that connections for devices bought in the European Union could be blocked after 90 days of usage, suggesting one solution is to register using Ukrainian details.

Hard to shut down

Starlink can both disable individual terminals based on their ID numbers and block areas from receiving a signal, a practice called “geofencing,” the Federal Communications Commission told a U.N. regulator this year.

One person familiar with Starlink said that the company is technically capable of identifying the location of active terminals based on their pings up to satellites, but that it can be challenging to discern the user in the “forward edge of the battle area,” where Ukrainian and Russian troops are operating.

Stacie Pettyjohn, defense program director for the Center for a New American Security, said the U.S. effort to curb Russia’s use “doesn’t seem like it’s been hugely effective,” partly because of the shifting front lines.

“Ukrainian forces are in Russia now. Where exactly are the front lines?” she said. “If there’s a line drawn as to where it works and where it doesn’t, you’re basically fixing the front lines where they are and preventing the Ukrainians from going on the offensive.”

Ukrainian troops, for their part, said they also had concerns over denying access in geographic regions because it may shut their own terminals down. As it is, the troops entering Russia as part of August’s incursion suddenly found their terminals not working because of the geographic restrictions.

Significantly, they soon found workarounds to get the Starlinks online again — probably the same methods Russians have deployed. Interrupting the software update process and tweaking GPS settings can get it working in Russia, said a Ukrainian drone pilot operating there.

There are other viable methods to control illegal terminals, said Todd Harrison, a senior fellow and space security expert at the American Enterprise Institute. One possibility, he said, is for Kyiv and Washington to collect terminal IDs and provide them to SpaceX, with direction to deny access to anything else.

[–] FlyingSquid 8 points 2 months ago

There are other viable methods to control illegal terminals, said Todd Harrison, a senior fellow and space security expert at the American Enterprise Institute. One possibility, he said, is for Kyiv and Washington to collect terminal IDs and provide them to SpaceX, with direction to deny access to anything else.

Cool, how about that happens?

Elon says no? Oh well.

[–] TheEighthDoctor 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

How is it hard to send an RSA key to the Ukrainians and geofence every starlink in the region that doesn't provide it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

It is pretty much what was answered to you, when it’s on the frontline it is very hard to know if it’s Ukrainian or Russian usage

You could collect Serial Numbers from any node that moves from inside of russian space to outside of russian space and hard block them.

This would even keep units that move from Ukraine to Russia working in the case of Ukrainian military using it.