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EVs are cleaner than gas cars, but a growing share of Americans don't believe it (www.npr.org)
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Everyone knows that electric vehicles are supposed to be better for the planet than gas cars. That's the driving reason behind a global effort to transition toward batteries.

But what about the harms caused by mining for battery minerals? And coal-fired power plants for the electricity to charge the cars? And battery waste? Is it really true that EVs are better?

The answer is yes. But Americans are growing less convinced.

The net benefits of EVs have been frequently fact-checked, including by NPR. "No technology is perfect, but the electric vehicles are going to offer a significant benefit as compared to the internal combustion engine vehicles," Jessika Trancik, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told NPR this spring.

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[–] themeatbridge 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem is that there is a kernel of truth in the bullshit. EV manufacturers do create a lot of hazardous waste, and mining lithium, cobalt, et al does horrifying damage to the earth and the people who live there. We should be talking about that, and how to improve it.

That's not an argument against EVs, though. It's a reason to improve them, to iterate on the design. These are important conversations to have.

But on one side, you have the capitalist who makes money if you buy a car that runs on gasoline. They want to use any criticism of electric transportation, public infrastructure, or regulations and turn it into a staunch defense of the status quo or worse.

And on the other side, you have the capitalist who makes money if you buy an electric vehicle. They want to dismiss any criticism of their technology, the required infrastructure, or regulatory capture as the death throes of the fossil fuel industry.

Those are the sides. Those are the loudest voices. They stand just behind any scientific research and shout their bullshit as though it was fully supported by whatever flimsy preliminary result they can pay to produce.

Too often, it's the same capitalist. They profit from the chaos and confusion. They count on you giving up and moving on, because they make the most money when exhaustion and demagogeury prevents any meaningful debate. They shout because they know their arguments are bullshit, and they win because they pay for the process we use to select our leaders.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

also planned obsolescence. they are already turning cars into smartphones and i hate it so bad.