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Vox (and to a lesser extent the NYT)
I think you may have misunderstood the question.
The NYT is pretty left leaning and consistently has high quality (save the opinion section). I did not understand “left” to gatekeep sources like Vox. This is like shifting the definition of the right to exclude anyone who isn’t around or further than MAGA.
I think you're living in an alternate reality, mate.
...I mean just look at their Lifestyle section. It's clearly aimed at the kind of person who owns "a summer house in the Hamptons." You can hardly call yourself "left" when your main audience is firmly the capitalist class in Manhattan.
The same NYT that is currently sanewashing Trump? The same NYT that sat on the story about the NSA spying on US citizens for over a year at the request of the Bush administration? That NYT? I say this with all sincerity and intend no offense, but what the living fuck are you talking about?
I wouldn't look at the lifestyle section for news. Lifestyle is always lifestylish.
Why restate the obvious for the millionth time? Nearly nobody who'd wholeheartedly support Trump reads NYT regularly. There's so much more better and substantial stuff to report like how a Canadian province is covering up a mysterious brain disease that has a much higher potential of changing society rather than just "oh trump is still wagging is way along". EnoughTrumpSpam already.
I'll concede that. Like I said, to a lesser extent.
Left, not liberal.
These are the same things unless you’re talking about economic liberalism. That’s like saying “right, not conservative”.
Liberalism is the ideology of Capitalism, ergo it is right wing. Conervative liberals and progressive liberals are both right wing to different degrees.
Well, since the world is nearly all capitalist, the system is currently treated as an assumption of the center; this makes progressivism to the left of the average, just like how the center has moved to the right in the US.
Anyways, rest assured, I'm still reading the book you recommended.
That's the Overton Window, which is only useful for analyzing medians, not for actual political discourse.
Well, there's a relatives to relativity. Overton is quite relative while the spectrum is only a bit relative. Per the sources . It's no use restricting the left against anyone who advocate maintaining capitalism, as there won't be enough political entities left... in the "left", thus "right" constitutes nearly no meaning save commonality.
That's certainly a liberal perspective, but leftists disagree. The left isn't that small either, the most populous state in the world is Socialist.
Whoops, there's to my implicit bias despite being from said state in question. But among the deeply capitalist countries, where most of us reside, it's usually true.
(And now, for a small bit of pedantry, India is unfortunately the world's most populous state as of 2023.)
Ah, was referring to the PRC, was unaware of the population demographic shifts, my apologies.
It's okay, I assumed the PRC was what you meant. (As a tangent, what do you think of using CPC vs CCP to refer to their party?)
I use CPC, because that's the format that is more consistent among international Communist Parties.