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“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Methinks perhaps you overstate the intensity and desperation of the energy, but your point is absolutely valid, and they should do that outside of election season too!

[–] JackiesFridge 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Going to add as well that the only party that might actually change those policies will be the dems, since the GOP SUPER won't, and the green party has zero chance of gaining any power.

[–] LustyArgonianMana 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Well since you've said it - yeah the Dems have more political power. Which is why it would show leadership and political finesse for Dems to focus their messaging around policy changes that would enable a fairer and safer voting system that eliminates spoiler candidates, like approval choice voting. THAT would attract 3rd party voters. Because it includes them. Instead the messaging above alienates and divides people. It's bad.

I actually don't understand how we all collectively watched Whose Line? in the 90s and somehow still don't understand the concept of "yes, and," and including people's concerns. If Dems want 3rd party voters, they will have to respect their concerns and not try to verbally abuse them, or use fear, obligation, guilt, or shame to emotionally abuse them.

And btw yes I'm voting for Kamala. But man watching Dems fumble EVERY ELECTION because they can't let go of emotional manipulation and abuse rhetoric is so cringy.

[–] JackiesFridge 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah watching the Dems is painful AF. They get real close to GETTING it and then fall back into their political safe zone. The 3rd party voters might not have the numbers, but they have good ideas for the future of the country that need to be considered.

We need more Bernies & AOCs on the inside to pull dems back (at least) toward centre and make them understand that 3rd party voters have some great ideas for bringing positive change and equity. Even if the Dems can't fully embrace them, let's nudge the needle back toward progress by paying attention to them. The Dems might do. The GOP won't. So if there are only two viable parties in the presidential (and congressional) race there's a clear choice if anyone really wants the opportunity to (frustratingly slowly) change anything for the better.

I always say it's easier to shame dems into doing the right thing. The GOP have no shame to leverage.