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[–] stoicmaverick 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

War would be a lot easier if we chose to do away with pesky restrictions like the Geneva convention, but would you be proud to be on the side that dropped white phosphorus on an elementary school to win? Would you prefer that we start making up lies and false rumors about Trump and Co? Restraint is difficult; I understand that, put the resulting clean victory is the most lasting kind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're comparing defacing fascist propaganda to using white phosphorous on an Elementary School. I want you to read that sentence very carefully.

You're comparing defacing fascist propaganda to using white phosphorous on an Elementary School.

Now that we have stressed the absurdity of such a comparison, you have to understand that if the enemy is genuinely dangerous, then you need to respond in kind.

[–] stoicmaverick 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That was obviously the extreme example of the concept taken to its limit, I was hoping you would follow me on the whole length of the walk. How about the example of starting false rumors and such about them? How about the fact that what you're talking about is illegal in and of itself? Playing dirty is immensely gratifying, and satisfying on a visceral level; I'm not trying to pretend that it isn't. I don't like it either, but it is their legal right to have that. The whole reason we don't like them is that they lack the moral restraint that usually develops sometime around middle school, and the importance of which I'm trying to instill. I could write a whole book based around the thesis that the primary difference between the two ideologies, is the importance that one places on delayed gratification, but I'm typing on my phone right now....

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That was obviously the extreme example of the concept taken to its limit, I was hoping you would follow me on the whole length of the walk.

No, because using white phosphorous on an Elementary School is stupid, let alone monstrously evil. That does nothing to help anyone's cause at all, which is why it's a stupid example.

How about the example of starting false rumors and such about them?

Underhanded, just spreading the truth should be fine, but if it means fascists get bashed then its fine.

How about the fact that what you're talking about is illegal in and of itself?

Capitalist society is monstrous and needs to be destroyed, that's already highly illegal.

Playing dirty is immensely gratifying, and satisfying on a visceral level; I'm not trying to pretend that it isn't

It isn't abiut gratification or satisfaction, that's a deliberate twist.

I don't like it either, but it is their legal right to have that.

I don't care.

The whole reason we don't like them is that they lack the moral restraint that usually develops sometime around middle school, and the importance of which I'm trying to instill.

No, I hate fascists because they are fascists, and most want to kill me personally.

I could write a whole book based around the thesis that the primary difference between the two ideologies, is the importance that one places on delayed gratification, but I'm typing on my phone right now....

I could write a book on why carrying water for fascists is monstrously evil. You're the "white moderate" MLK Jr. wrote about in Birmingham Jail, endlessly preaching civility to defend a violent and brutal system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The laws of a depraved society should never be confused with morality or treated as the rules of engagement, "maverick"