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It's funny how with certain folks its always the fighting back that's the escalation, never the original aggression...
Yes those Nazi bombings of innocent people were awful.
Ah the Maidan Coup, ya the Ukrainians shouldn't have done that, you're right
How dare the people rise up against their rightfully-installed rulers and decide they want someone else. What did they think this was, a democracy?
Yanukovich, while definitely corrupt, won in a fair democratic election that was judged free and fair by international observers.. The coup overthrew a democratically elected leader. He was not appointed by anyone.
Oh yeah the original aggression. Which one?
Your head is so far up your own propaganda I can't even tell what you're trying to say here.
Western liberals keep ignoring anything before 2022 in order to create a black-and-white narrative. This leads them to the conclusion that they're fighting absolute evil and so any means are justified no matter how many people will die, and how dangerous and even counter-productive their actions.
Nah. I don't see Russia as absolute evil. And there are plenty of means the west does not consider justified. Nobody I know falls into either of these categories.
I don't want Ukraine to kill poor Russian sods but as long as Russia kills poor Ukrainian sods I think it's only fair if they get to shoot back.
Most of us just want Russia to go home and let Ukraine be Ukraine.
Do you want the USA to go home?
Don't get me wrong. I'd be highly surprised if there weren't at least some American fighting in Ukraine on a more than just "personal capacity" but with the fixation the Republicans have with tying Biden to Ukraine it's highly likely that any sizeable involvment would have been been discovered and made public by now.
If you think the Russian Army is fighting the combined western might right now, then I have disappointing news for you.
Dude. They're literally running the war there. How can you be this uninformed?
Haven't you seen the video of him in Ukraine bragging about bribing the leadership to get his son off of a prosecution? I'll root it out for you if you haven't.
No they're just using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder.
This is such a simplistic view of the war. The civil war started because the country already had internal fault lines, and was pulled in different directions by Russian and Western meddling until it broke. The invasion was just the latest in a series of escalations. Nothing about this war is in the interest of the people living on the battlefield, they got duped or forced into fighting each other. Encouraging them to fight on is messed up.
Edit: I'd also like to add that Russia seemed quite willing, prior to the invasion, to have a compromise in which Ukraine would be neutral. The US especially clearly wasn't interested, insisting instead on its own supremacy, in which no opposing or neutral countries are to be tolerated. To this end they also supported the worst elements of Ukrainian society, ultra-nationalist Banderites, which they had been doing since the end of WW2.
This is so bizarre to believe considering Putin has been very clear and vocal about his interest in annexing Ukraine since he came to power.
Before 2022, like Russia didn't invade in 2014.
sad Crimea noises