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Scientist who gene-edited babies is back in lab and ‘proud’ of past work despite jailing
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 09 Sep 2024
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Who wouldn't be? The children are healthy and he only edited their genes to try and cure genetic diseases. That is an admirable goal, not something that should be illegal.
The children are healthy so far and his admirable intentions don't mitigate the fact that he's experimenting on humans. Even if he is successful (and I hope for the sake of the children he was), it's still unethical to try.
Like if I wanted to test out my new fireproof spray by spraying it on some puppies and then setting them on fire, it wouldn't be ethical even if the spray worked.
Ethics are subjective. What if more puppies were saved from fire than harmed as a result? Utilitarians would disagree.
Also its only unethical to experiment on babies if they dont legally consent.
So, always unethical, then.
Ethics are not subjective. That's what makes them "ethics" and not "morals."
How the hell you gonna get informed consent from a baby you created in a lab?
Well here we are. You have taken me seriously and now, with the help of chatgpt, i will respond to you.
ChaptGPT: You should review ethical subjectivism versus ethical objectivism.
Me: How can multiple objective ethical viewpoints exist without proving ethics are subjective? You would have to prove, or substaniate in some way that a certain objective ethical framework stands above others. Seeing as how this remains a popular philosophical debate, im guessing you cant prove that.
ChatGPT: popular ethical frameworks that could be adopted by a person include: denotational ethics, utilitarism, virtue ethics, natural law theory, divine command theory, moral realism, human rights theory, contractualism, objectivism, moral absolutism, pragmatism, rule consequentialism, ethical intuitionism, platonism in ethics, the doctorine of double effect.
Me: if you are saying its a moral choice to adopt an ethical framework, and thats why each of these choices are not subjective in themselves, isnt that kind of obtuse and a semantic argument? Which is exactly what i would expect from a lemming. Because thats the way internet arguments are won.
My friend: Tee is right on this one.
You: Damn man you are right.
Invoking pure utilitarianism and the idea of babies consenting?
Got a good laugh out of me. Gr8 b8 I r8 8 out of 8
you, Kant, always have what you want.
Kant didn't support Utilitarianism, he was in favour of categorical imperatives that were always true.
Hence the pun