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[–] stoly 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I’m referring more to the fact that Marx envisioned the populace rising up. What really rose in places like Russia and China was a group of self appointed elites who were really just reactionaries.

Tankies get mad because they believe that their utopia already exists and everyone else is an idiot for not ascribing to the same.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That, again, is another reason why they are not really communist. “Workers of the world unite”

[–] stoly 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. My point at that time was to say that it can happen but had not yet.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

From my (very limited) understanding of Marx and Engels I suggest your point is correct. I don’t understand how a full-fat, red flag waving comrade could come to any other conclusion… but then I have no dog in this fight and no emotional need to be correct.

[–] stoly 10 points 2 months ago

I think that’s why you and I aren’t tankies, militant vegans, hard evangelicals, etc. It’s not important enough to worry about.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

sadly there are many stalinists and moaists. the Russian revolution ended when stallin took power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Whilst it’s impossible to argue with the results of Moustachioed Jo and the Chairman the (human) cost of that process seems a bit… heavy, to my mind. Never understood their fanboys as a result.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They think their utopia already exists

Yet they refuse to go live there

[–] stoly 5 points 2 months ago

Good observation!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Marx thought that the revolution would need leaders, and so the self-appointed elites aren't totally out of keeping. It's just that they were then supposed to step down and let the people govern themselves.