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That isn't what she's saying at all! She's saying that if your party isn't growing then maybe the leader is kind of rubbish and should be replaced. Very different from his you're hearing it.
Stein has been the candidate since 2012. The only dip they took was 2020 where everyone consolidated around Biden against Trump. Because the Democrats were having a whine fest about Hillary being beaten by the margin the Greens took from her in 2016. The Democrats took those 2020 votes and are now using them to support an ongoing Genocide.
Of course AOC doesn't care about history. She just wants to cash in those D votes AIPAC paid for.
Stein didn't run in 2020. The Green Party nominated Howie Hawkins. Get your own history right if you're going to have a conversation about a fringe political party.
The Greens have gotten more than 1% of the popular vote only twice in its history: 2000 and 2016. In fact, they haven't gotten 0.5% of the vote in any other year. So it's easier to look at that total history and understand that it was 2016, not 2020, that was the outlier.
Running the same candidate again after losing twice is a sign that the party isn't serious.
It's quite interesting how some people hate Democrat or Republican politicians repeatedly running for president, but will completely defend Stein for running several failed campaigns.
You're right I did not pay much attention to them in 2020, thought she ran back then.
Stein ran in 2016. Not sure what your point is.
You expect the Greens to go from 0.36% to 51% in a single election? Furthermore you don't even seem to comprehend their role in forcing the Democrats to move left. If Democrats only need to appeal to Republican voters there certainly will never be any appeal for them to implement left-wing policies.
No, I expect the Greens to stay under 0.5% permanently, except in the rare case where both major parties run exceedingly unpopular candidates.
The Green Party candidate underperformed Ralph Nader's independent runs both times he ran without Green Party support, in 2004 and 2008.
If they want to be a serious party, they'll find a way to win elections for smaller offices at the state and local level. They'll find a way to outperform the Libertarian party. And they'll find a way to consistently outperform independent candidates. The Green Party hasn't been able to do any of these things, and I don't expect they'll ever get there.
You serious? Democrats don't think about the Green Party at all. The people who actually do move the Democratic Party left win elections and then influence the party from positions of power within the caucus: Bernie Sanders, AOC, etc.
Running two candidates on literal Genocide wow we're really running left
you mean by endorsing Genocide Joe when even the establishment wanted him out? AOC and Bernie are nothing more than controlled opposition who kneel to the emperor when it is demanded of them. At least John Fetterman is honest about his grift.
If there's one thing Bernie has proven is that you can't change a rotten party from the inside. Leadership will never allow it just look at what Macron is doing in France right now.
So you agree that the Green Party hasn't moved the Overton Window, and have been unsuccessful in getting anything done?
I predict the Green Party will get less than 0.5% of the popular vote this year. I predict they will hold zero seats in any state legislature. That's not a position to influence anything, and it'll arguably be going on the wrong direction, underperforming their 2016 performance.
Mate remind me again where Joe Biden is. He was not dropping out right? He is the best candidate!
Democrats talking about knowing politics is astounding. Nobody learns anything.
You're giving the Green Party credit for Joe Biden dropping out, and not the concerted effort or dozens of Democrat insiders who actually hold elected officer and caucus leadership positions?
No I think AOC and Bernie were championing for Genocide Joe to drop out right. That's how history went right?