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Palestinian Authority Admits Payments to Terrorists Have Cost It Billions of Dollars — In Just Five Years Alone (www.algemeiner.com)
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The Palestinian Authority (PA) prioritizes its payments to terrorists, and has therefore lost more than 6.96 billion shekels (over $1.88 billion) in the last 5 years alone, according to its own data.

The official PA news agency, WAFA, criticized Israel for causing the PA’s financial crises largely by deducting money that the PA uses for terror payments. However, a look at the PA’s numbers shows that the PA itself is responsible for its crises.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're just straight up defending Settler Colonialism.

I'm doing the opposite. The path to zero settlements and zero settlement violence is peace in Gaza. As long as Hamas keeps breaking cease fires, the political factions who are advocating for the end of West Bank Settlements will never gain power and will never be able to implement a pullout.

As long as we in the West continue to invest massive dollars into Gaza and just accept that they use it to find their war machine, were perpetuating the settlement situation in the West Bank.

We can deny patterns in human behavior as long as we want to. But Israel's body politic will never accept a two state solution while their two state solution experiment has a hundred hostages and openly says they want to bomb, attack and rape them again. Stop being a child.

[–] Keeponstalin 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe you don't recognize it, but that's exactly what your rhetoric is doing and the point of the misinformation baked into your arguments.

Israel is the one that was founded on ethnic cleansing, used the peace process to expand it's settlements, and is currently engaged in genocide. Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ

Transfer Committee and the JNF led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate. ,

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

  • Avi Shlaim

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The path to zero settlements and zero settlement violence is peace in Gaza. As long as Hamas keeps breaking cease fires, the political factions who are advocating for the end of West Bank Settlements will never gain power and will never be able to implement a pullout.

Did you comprehend this section? There's a faction in Israel that is pro 2 state solution. Unless that faction takes power, Israel will never roll back it's West Bank Settlements. Since that faction is responsible for the pullout in Gaza, the Israeli body-politic is not going to vote them into power until the Gaza Strip is peaceful.

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other.

The faction that was against that in Israel implemented the Gaza pullout. You're right it is one of the other. Advocating for Gazan violence is defacto advocating for settlements.

[–] Keeponstalin 1 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry, but your understanding of the history of Palestine is revisionist. I already provided sources that debunk what you're saying. If you don't want to engage with those sources, then please read up on the subject by Historians that have a much deeper understanding than either of us.

The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha

A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe

The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe

The Hundred Years' War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi

The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim

The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy