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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Your thinking the wrong way around. The batteries are already there, sitting around all throughout the day night and weekend. Its not like these are bought primarily to be energy storage, its just a side benefit. There is almost no extra effort. When they are not in use they already sit in a storage hall, plugged in to the wall. There is nothing special required to make this work.

They will only be used for a morning and an afternoon trip so they will still have 18h or so of uptime. Not using something thats otherwise unused would be a waste.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The batteries are there but you also need the expensive bidirectional chargers, software and hardware support in the vehicle, and you need the grid at some random school to be able to cope with tens or hundreds of kilowatts of feed-in power. There's quite a lot involved in connecting a vehicle's battery to the grid.

This setup only makes sense as long as batteries are expensive, and that won't be the case for very long. The logistics of grid storage are much simpler when you don't have the vehicle or chargers to deal with and can connect straight to a high voltage line.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Future this future that. The batteries are still expensive now.

expensive bidirectional chargers, software and hardware support in the vehicle

In comparison all those things are negligible in terms of cost. Its already completely standard equipment thats being mass produced.

tens or hundreds of kilowatts of feed-in power

No. This is not required. You can just feed into the grid through a standard wall plug or whatever is used in the US. This is a well proven method and works exactly like with solar power feed in. The current can be limited to whatever the hardware supports. However if you build charging stations, then these will already be capable of the power levels that you are talking about, so it wouldnt even be an issue.