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what's up with the ToS changes regarding the vegan community? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/outoftheloop

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What happened in the vegan community?

I hadn't heard about any of this until seeing that ToS post.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’s actually more complicated than that. Of the like 6 studies done since the 90s, several found that cats didn’t absorb supplements in the same way, ie with a supplemented diet for taurine they would not find taurine in the cats plasmas after 6 weeks

And that’s the problem with this whole “but it CAN be done! I’m special!” Attitude. It leads to comments like yours that boil down to “the magic capitalism machine should just make it happen cause of course it’s possible” when the tiny amount of research done found that it’s only questionably possible, and is mostly a shitty idea.

It’s this pushing shitty ideas because someone feels like a moral superior I’m tired of.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Taurine should be the easiest to supplement, since it's already widely synthesized to supplement traditional pet food with. Three decades old studies really shouldn't be the only thing we're looking at before we're going at each others necks about something.

It's this shitting on new ideas because someone feels like a moral superior I'm tired of.

And ironically this is exactly what vegans are often blamed for btw. People turn off their brain, get all emotional, and feel justified on hating someone for muder, abuse, and torture (all claims from this very comment section) without the slightest bit of nuance. I just searched for "vegan cat food nutrition study" and very randomly picked the first search result, which brought me to a study from 2023 showing that cats fed a vegan diet were overall even healthier. So at the very least we have to agree that this isn't as clear cut as many here claim with utmost confidence.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You found a study where they asked cat owners to self report all the data. As demonstrated in this thread and others, vegans are divorced from reality when it comes to what cats actually need to eat, so I’d say that’s not the most reliable source.

Additionally:

“This research and its publication open access was funded by food awareness organisation ProVeg International (https://proveg.com). AK received this award ID: Oct2019-0000000286”

Riiiiiiiight….

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then look for a recent study yourself. I certainly won't waste my time, since I hardly believe you would chance your mind even with the most robust data available. You've made up your mind.

There's no reason why supplementation shouldn't be possible. After all we're already doing that. Obviously we can test for it (since so many people in this comment claimed that vegan brands were tested and found to be insufficient), so nothing stops us from putting taurine into the cat food to the point where it reaches the required amounts. It's that simple. If you need to stay offended than for all means keep going. Just know that you behave just like the vegans you're so annoyed about, and it's showing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There's no reason why supplementation shouldn't be possible. After all we're already doing that

Zooming in on this statement right here, we’re already doing that, and it doesn’t work.

Obviously we can test for it (since so many people in this comment claimed that vegan brands were tested and found to be insufficient), so nothing stops us from putting taurine into the cat food to the point where it reaches the required amounts

Except for the parts where it doesn’t work

It's that simple

It really really isn’t.

If you need to stay offended than for all means keep going.

I'm not offended by anything, I think the whole discussion is comically stupid. The research done into the subject is lacking, because it's a bad idea and everyone involved knows that. I guess there are worse things for an internet forum to be arguing about.

Just know that you behave just like the vegans you’re so annoyed about, and it’s showing.

I feed my cats the food they need to survive, fortunately.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

we’re already doing that, and it doesn’t work.

We absolutely do, taurine is in basically every commercially available cat food out there. Chances are you are already feeding your cat synthetic taurine.

I feed my cats the food they need to survive, fortunately.

So do I, I'm just really annoyed at the intellectually dishonesty at play here. The position you're arguing in favor of is almost impossible to verify. Can you prove that is is impossible to create a nutritionally complete vegan cat food? No, obviously you can't. Even if every single brand currently available would be proven to be insufficient (which I seriously doubt) it'd still be a wild claim that it couldn't be done. Does that stop you from harshly judging everyone with a different opinion? For some reason, no.

Feel free to correct me if you do have a reliable source that explains why it's impossible to supplement vegan cat food while being perfectly fine for conventional ones.