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Unironically should be legal. I think pregnant women should be able to claim child benefit, too.
According to the article linked by another commenter, it literally is.
She was ticketed, but it was then dismissed in court, because she was right.
Based. Unborn people are still people.
According to the law in texas, at least.
Should be worldwide. Common sense.
Body autonomy requires consciousness.
Therefore anybody younger than about a year old is fair game.
Hardly. Infanticide being illegal doesn't compromise the body autonomy of anyone, but abortion being illegal, does.
Foetus are pretty conscious. They kick about in the womb among other things. Saw an ultrasound of an abortion and the poor thing was trying to resist ☹️
By your logic, any moving animal is conscious and aware?
Yes? Animals are conscious and aware of their surroundings
You remember being in the womb then? Or being a sperm? Those move, you know.
Bacteria move, but I don't think you can argue they have minds capable of suffering. Your body would be doing a lot of murder every second of every day in that case. What about insects? Do you consider ants and mosquitos conscious? Should they be protected by animal rights laws?
For a lot of the duration of a pregnancy, a fetus is not composed of enough cells to be much different.
The body autonomy, let alone the health of a woman should not be compromised to "protect" a life that isn't a life yet.
I don't remember being 1 or 2 years old. You saying it's okay to murder me as long as I don't remember it when I'm older or something? 🤣
The difference between a foetus and bacteria or ants, is that a foetus is human. Bacteria and ants aren't. I cannot believe we've stooped to this level of immorality.
One could make that point, but no.
Infanticide being a crime does not compromise the body autonomy or health of another conscious human. Criminalizing abortion, does.
This is a false distinction. Why is human life more important than other life? What elevates a small collection of human cells above an equivalent number of insect cells?
I could say the same. This sentence serves no purpose, and will convince absolutely no-one that your sense of ethics is more developed than mine.
Abortion isn't "bodily autonomy" Your body doesn't automatically have a miscarriage on a whim. It's inserting an instrument into a woman's body and destroying another person who's in there. Human life is more valuable than human life. We literally eat animals. Again, the fact I have to explain to someone that killing another person because you don't want to face up to the consequences of your actions, and no, killing a person isn't the same as killing an animal, shows how far we've regressed.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
A collection of sells that may or may not even have formed neurons yet, is not a person
And there it is. You want women to be punished for the crime of having sex. Or being raped. Or having a condom break. Whatever.
You're a misogynist asshole with no argument.
I think you meant to claim that undeveloped fetuses have more rights than women.
Those are some world class assumptions you are making about me.
Pregnancy, childbirth, and parenthood are traumatic and giant commitments that should NEVER be dropped on anyone by chance.
Comparing accidental parenthood to accidental death or injury is fucking stupid. Those things do not involve a massive avoidable physiological process that ends in suddenly becoming responsible for raising a new person and/or somehow seeing to it that they live a good life.
Parenthood can and should be planned, and 100% avoided if necessary. Abortion is, and must continue to be, the last way out.
Thinking otherwise is monstrous.
You're the one who made assumptions about me first calling me a misogynist.
Contraception is the last way out. Use it.
At least I made some reasonable leaps in logic.
Calling someone who wants to guarantee women one of the most basic rights a human should have, a "nazi", is a bit a jump, eh?
And when it fails? Or when you get raped at fourteen?
No-one is saying abortion replaces contraceptives. But it HAS to be an option. The alternative is simply unacceptable.
Your way is how you get a lot of unwanted children sired by the unprepared, irresponsible, young, sick, stupid, impoverished, insane and criminal. At worst, all of those at once, severely derailing the lives of parents and child alike.
You completely ignore the fact that where an accidental pregnancy occurs, and a happy ending is possible, good parents aren't going to choose to abort.
And that by closing that option off for the rest, forcing unprepared parents to commit, you bring a bunch of kids into a existence in all the places where they weren't wanted and prepared for. That doesn't end well for anyone, least of all the child.
And you might wanna double-check who your are voting for, because a lot of "pro-life" lawmakers are also anti-contraceptive.
Also, look up what body autonomy means. It doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
I call bullshit.
Actually it's common sense that they're not.
And those unborn people should be able to be killed if the mother doesn't want them. As long as they require her body to stay alive.
As nobody should be able to force what an other person does with the things in their body.
Definitely think you should be able to claim fetuses on taxes if you are pregnant pregnant more than half the year.
Aw but that sucks if you get pregnant in August or September
I had thought about that, but also thought about how that would be spun by conservative pundits.
Clearly, women will get pregnant once a year for the tax benefits of having a child, and then abort it.
Yes
Does this apply further, though? If a car is registered for 4 passengers, would a fetus count towards that total?
Are cars registered for passenger numbers?
Maybe it's not a US-thing? Cars in Norway have a registered numbers of seats specified in the car's registration, so I just assumed this was a general thing.
I don't live in the US. Although if it is registered seats, the seat is inside the mother, who is the vehicle for the baby, not the car