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The tried and true bot everything bad because USA ... do you argue that things would be fundamentally better or worse today if the USA had never been involved? Half these commie ML troll bots on the internet keep spitting out the same old crap. Profit bad. Bad. Bad. They ignore the fact that a woman got shot for wearing a head scarf. You going to blame that on the USA? Get out of here with that crap.
I'm not a communist. I don't agree with communism. I'm European. We hate communism. I joined ML because people said it doesn't matter what instance you join in the tutorials but mentioned one should avoid lemmy.world because it was oversaturated with reddit refugees and lemmy.ml was at the top. I never knew there was this much instance bigotry and tribalism on lemmy, but i am honestly apalled by this culture. That's the only reason. My post history is public, go read if you see anything about communism, bot propaganda activity or whatever strawmen you're building there because your arguments are insufficient.
And yes, things in the middle east would have been considerably better without CIA interventions. Americans want to wash their hands off it because what, it happened 50 years ago, when it was proven in 2020 by dna of a US green beret the US had special forces try the same in Venezuela ?
Look at Afghanistan right now, it would have been leagues better if the US hadn't been there for 20 years. Now it's under the US (previously, when known as Mujahideen) funded taliban. If you know your history, none of this should come as a surprise. But yeah, it was the headscarf and profit and America bad for sure. Everything but taking responsibility for what the US is still doing right now. I'm not anti American culture and people or even economic doctrine, I'm anti policy. Creating an implication between capitalism and instigating officially unsanctioned political destabilization of foreign governments is an intellectually lazy and dishonest argument.
What the CIA has done and is doing is wrong and brought us here, and it's acting vastly with impunity and being excused by people like you. I'm not against you. I'm against people giving the place you live in a bad name with your taxes. Acting all defensive and petulant like I'm attacking your culture personally is just silly, when you know many patriotic Americans would agree with my criticism of the actions of the CIA and military interventions overseas.
My tone was a bit over the top and I generalized regarding instances. For that I will apologize.
The USA is an "easy target" because it's incredibly active in the world stage. Very few nations have the resources available to it to do what the USA is capable of doing. With that said this is the classic man in the arena argument -- the USA is most certainly in the arena and there are good and bad things that come with it. I believe your argument to be reductionist at best -- USA bad because XYZ. There's a whole hell of a lot more to it than that. So you've mentioned Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan. What about long, successful alliances between USA with Jordan, Egypt, Israel (hot button I know), and Saudi Arabia.
The struggle in the region today is very much Iran and Saudi Arabia throwing their weight around and many groups of people are caught in the middle. USA included. Israel was on a path to discuss normalization of relations with Saudi Arabia and suddenly that is not a thing anymore. Hrm. Convenient. Wonder why?
Things are not as simple as you make it out to be. It takes two to tango.
Alright, thank you for explaining your opinion to me. You're right, while i still maintain my position that i disagree with US policy in this regard, i do recognize that a lot of those countries' actions also contributed to the current situation.
And i also recognize that when criticism arises in Lemmy, in particular from certain Lemmy instances, there is a lot of propaganda and anti American sentiment, which i also find grating. Nevertheless I'd like to clarify that I'm not anti American and i do not think America is bad. I consider this statement reductionist of the entire combined work of 330 million people, as you said, and i would like to clarify that i meant that this specific course of action in this circumstance is bad, not the country, nor the people of the US.
This criticism does not mean to disqualify the US of praise where praise is otherwise due, of course, although i would not agree that the outcomes of Israel relations were positive, but that is another matter altogether that i think would escape the purview of the criticism of CIA actions.
I apologize for expressing myself in such a black and white way and I'll try to be more mindful of reminding myself of expressing more nuance in future comments and be clearer of who and what specifically i am criticizing.
You were the polite one and I was the rude one. No need for you to apologize.
Appreciate the discussion. Hopefully the world we leave is a better place than when we were born into it.