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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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In which [email protected] mod bans me as a "liberal" (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This one requires a bit of background.:

Hexbears keep opening the_dunk_tank posts about our mods and our instance in violation of their own comm rules. That compels me to go in them and try to correct the bad faith disinformation being peddled about us.

In one such thread one commenter made a reply to me ending it with "disengage", which was a clear indication they didn't want to engage in discussion any more, which I respected.

$Did you read the comments (both mine and of others?) we are just chatting, no salt down here. You think I'm salty, I think I'm not.\nMy post won't be reinstated, but we had a cheap laugh at the expense of your mod and had some sane discussions between ourselves, as far as I'm concerned this is a net win for me. You'll think we are all just a bunch of salty lunatics and that's your opinion.\nThere's no point arguing when both sides have unreconcilable viewpoints, our conversation ends here. Disengage.$

Note that there's no indication of how disengagement works in any sidebars. And even their own Code of Conduct, merely states:

Any discussions may be opted out of by disengaging.

So it appeared to me this is how it works.

Later in the thread, someone kept making bad faith replies and at some point I thought, "I'll just use this handy disengage rule to avoid being further provoked". So I did, at which point I was gleefully and summarily banned by the mod with the following comment, to which I couldn't respond anymore of course.

$user report: Abusing Disengage rule\nA call do disengage must be the only thing in the post. You don't get to respond to people and then call to disengage, this is completely disingenuous.\nI think it's about time we defed from your garbage instance, and I'm glad to make sure you won't be showing you're entire ass around here again.$

Now I knew already that plenty of hexbears had a grudge against me for rejecting "left unity", so they were just looking for an excuse to get rid of me, they finally found enough of a plausible gotcha and all they could think of for the reason was "liberal". Note that the first person "abusing the disengage rule" was never banned or affected in any way.

Ultimately this led me to being banned from hexbear itself, but that's a post for another day.

So what do you think? Am I "liberal "enough to deserve a ban for "abusing" an unwritten disengage rule. Power trippin' mod or nah?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am specifically calling out your original post image where you use the admin privilege to deanonymize the modlog I have no issue with you posting where she self-discloses in an attempt to clarify the rules

What difference does it make once she admitted it? Anyway I wasn't aware that lemmy deanonymizes for admins tbh as I only use this account. I'll keep it in mind for the future.

And in spite of her personal opinions about you or the db0 instance, still followed the rules and removed a post targeting you. How is that a power abuse?

The power abuse was the banning as I have clearly stated?

Any hexbear user can become a moderator, what is the process for a divisionsbyzero user to become a moderator?

that's completely irrelevant to whether someone abuse mod powers.

How are the mods in the wrong? you were liberal in your defense of the meme and despite ideological difference the mod remove the post targeting you, sounds like they are doing an exemplary job.

"You were liberal in the defense of the meme"? Wtf does that even mean? If you're saying that your mods can just YOLO ban people based on vibes and then justify it by calling them "liberals" , I'd still call it power tripping.

Anyway I think I've been pretty clear that I think the mod is hypocritical and used their mod power because they have a grudge and you haven't said anything to dissuade me. And honestly it doesn't matter. She's your mod, not mine. Do what you want and I reserve the right top criticize them as your whole community criticizes us.

So it is ok for you to criticize moderators publically, but it is wrong when hexbear users criticize you and unruffled? Another case of hypocrisy yet despite that you were afforded the same protection as any other in the dunk_tank. That is no mods/admin or users of no consequence are to be posted.

I already have told you it's ok to criticize us. I don't particularly mind the dunk tank posts about us which is why I don't particularly care to be your snitch. I care however about a community constantly spreading disinfo and then banning is us "liberals" for trying to defend ourselves. I only point out your hypocrisy in keeping a community around whose members routinely violate it's own rules with abandon.

I won't hold my breath for you to begin criticizing the liberal, cis, white or male users of lemmy. It is sad to say you have already let the community become worse than the dunk_tank as I have shown you are lacking rules that prevent brigading.

This is because you consider this comm as alike dunk tank, which it isn't. This comm criticizes mods and admins, not random takes. But it just goes to showing how biased you are that you think we're secretly bigoted because I dare to call you hypocrites.

The_dunk_tank rules and moderators work towards providing a place to ideologically criticize politicians and people of importance, not as a vindictive place to encourage bullying of other lemmy users and mods.

And yet, the latter is routinely on the menu. Your delayed mod actions once the party is over don't change that fact. The idea that you're not about bullying is rich when you literally have respected hexbears claiming that bullying randos is great praxis. Or do you you think that so much of lemmyverse has defederated from hexbear specifically due to bullying and brigades is just propaganda?

Please don't throw stones from a glass house, you are just a hypocritical as the mods you claim to expose.

Please do point out my own hypocrisy. You said I don't allow criticism of me and my own mods. I do. Even in this comm. What else have you got?

I know you like to dig into arguments but creating a community to vent your own grievances in a non-productive way is sad.

I find that having a place for public criticism of power is healthy for a leftist spaces. I find that unchecked mods become incestuous and out of touch until they destroy their own spaces. But we don't have to agree.

edit also the disengage rule is written in the code of conduct, you know that as you referenced the

I literally posted all that your coc says already in the op. It doesn't say anything about the word needing to be alone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't fall for the usual Hexbear stuff where they pretend they're not just a bunch of trolls. And if you fart too loud, they'll somehow find transphobia in that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

I know, it's quite obvious they have weaponized trans issues and identity politics as a way to troll other instances. Just look how they went after the ml admins recently, and they are supposed to be best buds. It's like they've just got to have their weekly purge, or they don't feel right about the world lol.