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I have Celiac disease. However I react to all sorts of foods that are certified GF. For instance. Vinegars of any kind give me the same reaction as when I ingest gluten. Its like my immune system is on high alert and attacks my body to the point my diet is so utterly limited I'm struggling to eat. I have full workups of bloodwork recent and over time, MRIs, CT scans, allergy panels food and general, various nuclear tests, gastric emptying test, biopsies through my digestive tract, and ANA test. Various tests with hard copies just ask if you have an idea for a test as I may have had it before. 7 levels high and or low in my blood frequently changing. Mostly appear to be RBC count high, direct and indirect bilirubin, I will update if I can remember more or to answer questions as need be. I will share anything TMI such as why my stool color is wildly incorrect or medical labs so please do not hesitate to gain insight or no questions are dumb as my Drs are struggling to find an answer but they see my blood levels aren't right and know its not psychosomatic. My body has massive system wide inflammation I had a recent surgery and my surgeon said my body has a majorly aggressive inflammatory response for some reason. I had major swelling for months even in steroids for 3 or 4 weeks. I get migraines from mild to complete vision loss. Chronic nausea round the clock with medication to fight it sometimes to the point of slobbering in myself and puking. I've been on feeding tube formula when I am having trouble with foods its nestle tolerex packets. I'm constantly drinking loads of water from extreme thirst. Alongside drip drops and body armours to keep hydrated which sometimes isn't enough. For instance the other night I drank 3 bottles of 16 ounce water, 2 16 ounce body armours from 1030pm to 8 am. Woke up with a migraine so bad I drank another 16 ounces of green tea, then had a 28oz body armour all before 1030am.

I need someone who can help find out what is happening inside me by any means. I have 3 GI specialists. 1 liver specialist, and primary Dr. Nobody can find out what is happening but know something is not right. I've spent so much time and energy researching and cross referencing labs myself online and with my Drs. If anyone has any idea why my immune system or an organ of some sort is robbing me of all my food and health. I'm completely open to sharing any and all info to be able to not be completely emaciated and miserable. I will do anything. I think that's obvious because I'm posting on Lemmy of all places.

Edits for testings I remembered off my head with many not listed. I'll update as I can for info so consider this a rolling post. I'll talk to anyone here or online elsewhere, in person I do not care. Friends, family, Drs, anyone. I am that desperate as my life is at stake and my QoL is next to zero. I'm in the hospital all the time. I have developed tremors, memory problems, general cognitive decline from fighting these issues for so long. Severely for 3 years.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How can I trial an error this? What foods are ultra high in tyramine? I will test it for a few days. And report back.

[–] LustyArgonianMana 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Feel free to DM me btw, especially if you've ever had weird blood test results (besides what was listed) or weird reactions to meds or drugs or other foods. Including intense cravings.

You don't really want to "test" this with something like a "tyramine challenge," because it can cause brain bleeds and high blood pressure (hypertensive crisis). It's pretty vital to not eat too much tyramine if you have this for that reason. However, I think you've been having these crises, which activated the RAAS and that's what's maybe causing your issues with thirst and urination.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin%E2%80%93angiotensin_system

What you'll look up are diets for people on MAOIs, and eat that for a week or so to see if you feel better. Basically, if you have tyramine intolerance, it's like you're on a natural MAOI at all times. So if you've ever had weird reactions to things like SSRIs or SNRIs, that could be why. MAOIs interact with many other drugs. Tyramine diets and histamine diets have a lot in common btw, except some fruits like tomatoes and strawberries are high in histamine but low in tyramine. You could eat those to see if you need both diets or not (I saw others mentioning low histamine diets).

You also want to avoid phenylalanine, which is an artificial sweetener often in gum and dental products and hydration packets/energy drinks. It converts to tyramine. Tyramine and phenylalanine are ubiquitous in high protein diets too, so avoid high protein stuff like carnivore diet. You want to do a relatively low protein diet while testing to see if you're tyramine sensitive, and then you can increase daily protein from there to see how you feel.

I have celiac and tyramine intolerance so what I DO eat are a lot of fruits and salads. I can have SOME tyramine just not a lot - basically 4 red olives in a sitting will give me a tyramine migraine. So I can eat like one or half of one olive. I can eat a little bit of hard cheese (I tend to stick to chevre goat cheese though). I can have a little bit of white or rose wine. Fermented stuff is usually high in tyramine, including vinegar. Don't eat nutritional yeast, most broth, or ESPECIALLY stuff like Better than Bullion (some people will nibble meat salts like this for the salt but it has tyramine).

Please note that if you have tyramine intolerance, you might be much more sensitive to tyramine than me. Or much less. You might not be able to eat even 1 olive, or maybe you could eat 6.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/tyramine

Another issue is that your celiac could be causing an imbalance in your fat soluble vitamins, giving you the symptoms of vitamin a toxicity. If you aren't getting enough vitamin e, d, and k (common with celiac) to balance out vitamin a, it can give you similar symptoms to vitamin a poisoning. Sadly, your vitamin a is probably also low from the celiac as well. This could be why your liver is having issues; vitamin a toxicity is hard on the liver.

For my situation, my celiac made me crave fats which made my tyramine migraines really bad (ate a lot of meat and cheese). Supplementing esp vitamin e really helped with those fat cravings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What levels in the blood would one look for that could be indicative of tyramine intolerance? Most of my bloodwork is showing liver levels elevated I have hard copies of everything from scans on discs to all labs, I can get any info relatively quickly. As well as RBC count is slightly elevated. The liver Dr checked me for hemolysis I think it was called but I haven't heard back.

I have never been on MAOIs or SSRI nor anything of the sort. The only thing I sometimes crave is sugars. Not really sure I have ever craved fats. I would like to look into fat soluble vitamins. I get plenty if B vitamins, some E, likely low in K, My D has been low but I have been taking 50mcg daily for several months now. I have never heard of the RAAS system or any of this. Quite heavy to dive into. Thank you for the deep and thorough reply. I will DM you if we need to discuss deeper info. I'd like to keep as much public as possible for others who may stumble upon all of these replies of info.