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It bothers me that voters aren't going to find support for Israel to be a disqualifying issue.
well, show me who you can vote for, that actually has a reasonable chance of getting in, who isn't supporting Israel.
America currently has the choice of literal fascist takeover, or just milk-toast "liberal" policy.
To your first point, there are none unless you're willing to vote third party.
To your second point, I disagree. Fascism isn't some specter on the horizon. It's already here, and the only choice is between the flavors that have been forced upon us.
In the US, milque-toast liberal policy is fascist. Look at the costs of health care and education, the astronomical spending on war, the patronage of the big banks and exemptions they receive for their crimes, and the deliberate and escalated impoverishment of the poor and milddle class. (Not to mention the continued and escalated militarization of the police.)
Reliably, the “both-sides-are-the-same” poster.
What did I say that's factually incorrect?
The positions of the Democrats and Republicans are literally the same on the issue of Israel. (And others, if we're going off their record.)
For instance, Joe Biden has been a vocal supporter of militarized police. He even mocked the Defund movement in his first SOTU speech.
The democratic party is not particularly good on Israel, but you're deeply deeply ignorant if you can't see how much worse the Republicans are.
On the issue of Israel they're exactly the same. They make sure Israel gets our money and weapons no matter the extent of the horrors they unleash.
ok, so here's the difference, democrats are sort of locked into the whole "our only ally in the m.east" bit, republicans want us to step up weapons deliveries and just send our own troops to help cleans gaza, a bit of a difference.
There is no difference in policy though, and that's what matters in the end.
But have Democrats not been quitting Biden's admin?
If they have, then that's to their credit. Sadly, it hasn't been enough.
I think a decent amount of people have quit. It hasn't been enough because the pushback from Biden's administration in ignoring them is pretty stubborn and strong. I think both parties have divided on this but I feel like a larger portion of Democrats, when compared to Republicans, are pro-Palestinian or at least were opposed enough to the bloodshed to quit their posts. The views of these two groups should not be expected to be generalizable at such a critical and decisive time.
I'm looking not at the personal stand some have taken, but the effects of the party's action in whole.
It's just no different from Republicans. Democrats say they oppose Israeli genocide, but they make sure the money and weapons flow into it, so to me, the words and symbolic actiosn ring hollow.
Yeah sure but my point is again: you cannot generalize the party as a whole at this time. You can't just call any difference in opinion within the party as a "personal stand". It's not personal, it's a political statement.
After this last primary, I certainly can.
I seriously think this is a bad way to go about life, generalizing in general. Makes you see things in black and white. I realize this in itself is a generalization but I think you get the point.
In some ways, yes, but look at this objectively. The people who vote Democrat could have voted for Marianne Williamson, a person is actively against genocide, and also has other positive views like support for a living wage.
Those same voters have watched Joe Biden enable genocide and apartheid, and it was only an embarrassing incident on national TV that finally got them to admit that, maybe, they were wrong, not the genocide.
This generalization is well-earned. I'd feel differently if Williamson had gotten even handful of delegates, but nope.