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tl:dr; India is a terrible place to live in, Indians lead miserable lives and are not even aware of it, they are facing many other problems and they are not aware of that too, they are delusional and still stuck in the past. Being born poor in India signs you up for difficult to conquer problems because of the culture you grow up in, Human development happens at the pace of a tortoise here, India is a curse, now how can I get rid of the curse and lead a fulfilling and happy life?

I see the middle class Indians and while their life is better than mine, it's nothing to write home about. They are doing ok, they are not great and I am lower middle class, even if I try my best, I don't think I will be rewarded well for that. Indians start life at 0 while other developed countries are at an average of 4, Indians just dream of the 4, they just want that 4! That's their life, they pursue their life, whole lives, just to get a decent life! I don't want to do this, this doesn't excite me! Help! What can I do? P.S: I am a 22yo who is worthless and who has a worthless (0 value) degree from a useless Indian university, how can I improve my life!


If you want to read why I think being born in India is a multi-generational curse, carry on reading, otherwise, this was enough!

  1. Indian educational system is garbage and it doesn't create high-value labor, it produces unremarkable individuals.
  2. Indian infrastructure is a joke with everything built by the government being of the lowest quality.
  3. Indian is one of most corrupt countries in the world (top 10-20 maybe).
  4. People are extremely tribal and in the absence of resources for development, Indians will try to barter what little resources there are along community lines (reservations) than force the government to try and create more economic opportunities.
  5. Private Industry from foreign companies are a sigh of relief but due to above mentioned reasons (low-skilled labor, bad economy, bad infrastructure, stupid policies and Kafkaesque bureaucracy) most companies justifiably don't want to set up shop in India and this exacerbates the economy problem.
  6. Indians clamor for Western attention and approval, most of them do realize India is nothing to write home about but they don't understand the extent of the problem. They are way too proud of minuscule achievements. They are even less aware of how the culture that prevails now will produce nothing but failure. They lose it when anyone of Indian decent does anything noteworthy and they are way too proud to accept the problem. This is the reason why youtubers love to praise India, they know what works in India. The government takes advantage of this and calls everyone who dares to criticize the country or their government as anti-national. Many journalists have been jailed for reporting facts. We never learn and we are committed to never learning! Even when Indians leave India, they try to create a mini-India abroad and not go out of their cultural comfort zone.
  7. We are creepy! I was creepy, I am a little creepy still, I had to work A LOT to be able to be normal around women, that trope, it's real and it's just saddening in the highest degree. Indians don't socialize with opposite sex a lot and it's discouraged and sometimes forbidden in this culture to do so, so you create adults who can't really talk comfortably towards women. Took me a long time to realize the problem and solve it, the past me disgusts the present me!

Edit: 8. Indians lack any kind of civic responsibility. They throw garbage everywhere, they spit pan (tobacco stuff) anywhere and everywhere, open defecation isn't as big of a problem as people pissing in the streets but it still remains a problem, I have done this too (When I was little). I can't get my parents to not throw off plastic off the train no matter how much I explain then why it's wrong in multiple ways! Most Indian cities look like a garbage dumb than a place to live. If people at least had kept our streets clean and acknowledge the problems facing this country instead of being proud of mediocrity, I would have been been more than willing to try to turn things for the better here, but they don't!!

I can write a book about this, but for the sake of your time and mine, I will stop.

I have realized one thing after being born here, it's irredeemable! It won't get drastically better. I just don't know what to do about it and that is why I am asking you for advice!

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[โ€“] graeghos_714 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I love India and the people from India. I worked in IT for Ford for over 30 years and had a lot of Indian coworkers and traveled to India a few times for work. Like others have said, all of them came over through technology jobs. Unfortunately many companies in the US play the green card game to keep your wages low. Finding a company that will help get your card is very tough. If you can handle the learning for controls engineering, a 2 year degree will get you a good paying job in a lot of the western world helping companies with their automation of production lines. One of my friends who had all the needed skills wanted to come to the US so much but his pronunciation of words was really bad and it was very hard to understand him so he could never get past an initial interview.
But I agree about the current state of India but nationalist leaders are gaining more power and Modi is an example of that. His playing the Hindu and nationalist card over and over again is an example of that. When I'd walk around it was always amazing to see stone and bronze workers doing work that's been done for hundreds of years along side shops with ISO certification making advanced tooling and micro parts. India is where the Bronze age meets the digital age. I've never seen that anywhere else. China is probably the closest but I didn't see as much technical incongruity on one street like I would in India.
As a worker and many agreed with this view, Indians and many Asians are great at following orders which is what they grew up with, but thinking out of the box was usually a challenge. I believe the freedoms of the west allow people more ability to see things differently and we feel like our view/idea/opinion has value and should be heard because of the differences in the individual. Because of that we're more willing to contemplate other methods in our own heads about possibilities instead of just doing what rote learning taught and not go against the grain with teachers, bosses, etc. Like you're finding, seeing what others choose not to see is a challenge. The young are the future and need to stand up for the view of the world they want. It has to start at the local level with enough force to be a regional power. Unfortunately the nationalist have a lot of thugs to do their work and wrack havoc on people trying to bring about change that would challenge those in power and bring more power to the individuals.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

. If you can handle the learning for controls engineering, a 2 year degree will get you a good paying job in a lot of the western world helping companies with their automation of production lines.

That's very interesting, thanks for suggestion, I will look it up!

Unfortunately the nationalist have a lot of thugs to do their work and wrack havoc on people trying to bring about change

Haha... I have got personal experience with the goons. The ones who clam to religion the hardest (at least at the local level) seem to be the most morally corrupt. I have had this experience since I was a little kid, the people who wear the most saffron seem to be the least intelligent and empathetic. I had once seen a guy no older than myself at the time hurl rape abuses at a woman under her facebook post and the man was bloody covered in saffron! These fuckers made me lose my love for the color! Ughh...

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

For Indians, thinking out of a box is a problem because we are punished from straying too far from the line. You have no idea how hard it was for me to protect my curiosity and whatever creative thinking I have, to be removed surgically by our academic system. Even today, I dabble in subjects as diverse as neuroscience, differential geometry, scientific computing and computer graphics. But, I am one of the lucky ones. I have enrolled in an introductory chocolatier course, because chocolate fascinates me. Of course, my real job is that of a software developer. But, it is frustrating to work for companies with no vision beyond find a western client and develop some website/application on a budget. But that is the curse, I guess.