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Is Shove ever worth it over Trip (Weapon trait) (self.pathfinder2e)

submitted 4 months ago by CheeseNoodle to c/pathfinder2e

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For more context, I'm thinking of playing a centaur barbarian which means with the practiced brawn ancestry feat I can get +1 to athletic checks to shove and any succesful shove is a critical success.

Despite the potential for cool Trip just seems better though? it targets a save which most monsters are worse at than fortitude, also steals a movement action and puts the enemy off-guard until their turn. Is there something I'm missing or is trip just a better option every time that doesn't involve a convenient cliff or river of lava?

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[–] CheeseNoodle 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for the explanation, is there anyway to learn a monsters save DCs without either trial and error or metagaming?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Recall Knowledge action. It's why INT and WIS are such strong stats in this system.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

You can get an approximate DC without metagaming based on how the creature is described.

If the creature is slow, big, or tough, it probably has a higher Fortitude than Reflex.

If the creature is small, fast, or wily, it probably has a higher Reflex than Fortitude.

I don't know if they carried it over to 2e, but in 1e a creature that has more than two legs is more resistant to being tripped. Creatures with no legs or who are flying/swimming/burrowing are probably immune to being tripped.