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On stuff outside of lemmygrad, we are receiving a lot of hate, especially by those who just moved from Reddit. Guess they lost their hidden privilege at Reddit as their rhetoric used to be almost universal over there, while genzedong and our other subs get censored and banned. And now, on lemmy, their stuff isn’t universal, as we are more prevalent here. Seems like they really want that hidden privilege back

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

i hate to say it, but i don't want the network effect taking off. in fact, that's a sign it's time to leave. is it possible to ever just have a smallish community where real discussion and ideas can flourish without the rest of the US dragging everything down to the lowest common denominator?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can always just only stay here, the admins are great about banning the wandering reddit libs pretty quickly

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

seems like a lot of work for no gain

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

It's like those guys who say "I'm not joining fediverse because it's full of weird people". I mean, good riddance

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess you have to ask yourself, are we spreading ideas and looking to chip away at the predominant hegemony, or do we want to self isolate?

One of the nice things about lemmy.ml is that it starts from a far left perspective and as a result of reddits own unmaking, places normies in a position of no longer being the predominant opinion in the room.

This has two outcomes from what I can guess:

  1. Normies show up in droves, and their perspectives shift as a result of having to defend their point of view for once.
  2. Normies show up, but leave because they can't handle not being able to call forth the shibaliths they're so accustom to, and having their points of view challenged on equal grounds.
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or normies show up and take over?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You think they're going to take over lemmygrad, or hexbear? The thing about federation is that you can avoid the outcome you're talking about by only federating with communities that share our values.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well they've taken over lemmy.ml?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Registration on Lemmy.ml is no longer open I think. Lemmy.world is leading the pack for active users (or close to it). Regardless, why would the admins of lemmygrad and hexbear not enforce their own rules on the normies?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I just went over to lemmy.ml and got called a Putler penis fellator or some such teenage insult.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're going to have to have thicker skin then that comrade.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And me having thicker skin will make the outcome we were talking about not have happened somehow?

I think you lost the thread there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My friend, you are always going to be ideologically out numbered. If the libs want to call you names, that only shows their ignorance. Walking away ensures what you're talking about actually happens. It's not your job to educate people if they do not want to hear it, however, disengaging only ensures those spaces become hostile to your beliefs. Systems like these only have value at scale, and with that scale comes individuals who do not share your world view. Alienation starts at home, we we decide to no longer engage. Just take solace in knowing this space here, is for you first.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think there's a parallel conversation going on here that's happening only in your mind. We were talking about libs taking over lemmy.ml, remember?

Why do you think I "walk away", or have a "thin skin"? What gave you that impression? It's certainly not the case and nothing I've said should have given you this idea. You can look at my comment history yesterday on lemmy.ml to verify.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Isn't that what the entire federation point is? We can keep this community and keep it insular.

To expect that lemmy as a whole can remotely be the same as lemmygrad is delusional and indicative of being way too online. If anything having lemmy as a whole being more moderate and broader based is a propagandistic tool (not that it even matters that much, online is fake, join a party).

Gramscian hegemonic analysis with regards to the superstructural "war" is silly as fuck and a huge waste of time. We will never have hegemony offline or online under capitalism, the smart response is to adapt, propagate our ideas where it makes sense, and act strategically.

Honestly for me online is mostly a venting space, I see literally zero value over debating libs in that area. Pushing a counter narrative has some use yes, but even then that impact is minimal, and conclusive to at best the worst recruits you can possibly imagine.

edit: it's also a dogshit habit when it comes to mass work where you have to interact with countless ideologically backwards elements in the organized working class. You will never find purity. Going full guns blazing on libs is a time and place and contextual situation and you need to learn how to not flip the fuck out over backwards and even reactionary ideas in those settings, because doing that will lead you to never be able to stamp them out amongst the masses.