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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Braver than the troops.

She is brave, period. There is a crackdown and violence towards anyone who dares protest the war crimes in Gaza, or even post against it on social media.

She is also in a super minority of 2% of Israelis who oppose the genocide.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Unless people are afraid to speak up, that’s what the polls say.

Pew Research has it at 4%

Israeli Arabs * ~~-[sic]-~~ are much more likely than Jews to say the country’s military response has gone too far (74% vs. 4%).

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

* the term Israeli Arab is rejected by the majority of Palestinians living within the Green Line. The term purposefully erases Palestinian identity.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Thank you for the citation. 4% is still incredibly low. After 9/11, more than 40% of Americans were against invading iraq. I am really surprised, but I could believe it. I didn't realize how polarised it was.

BTW your usage of [sic] here is astonishing. The asterisk alone would have sufficed. [sic] is for contexts where the reader might reasonably assume you made a transcription error when quoting them, not for errors in general.

[–] pyre 2 points 1 month ago

as the other person said, there's threats to those who protest, but also decades of propaganda in schools dehumanizing Palestinians brainwash people from childhood to think this is normal and just.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They're a very militarized society and have been surrounded by hostile governments and at war with "terrorists" basically since the state was founded. It's definitely not america mentality wise.

But additionally in recent years the propaganda has been exaggerated as a way to hold on to power, a favorite technique of the current government. I've been reading a book called "the netanyahu years" (it's on libgen) and it goes into some detail on his personal background and how he perfected these techniques.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also not all "Israeli Arabs" are Palestinian. There are Arab Jews and there are Palestinian citizens of Israel who do not get treated the same at all.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All Jews in Israel including those of an Arab background are included under Israeli Jews. Itamar Ben Gvier is an Iraqi Jew and he is the most anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab politician in Israel. Israeli Arabs means one thing only and that’s Palestinians with Israeli citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would dispute that categorisation because that suggests that oppression of the Palestinians is because they are "Arab" rather than because they are the native Palestinian people. It's a Zionist obfuscation I've heard Palestinians oppose because it means non-Palestinian Arabs end up speaking on behalf of Palestinians. The Palestinians I've met are quite clear on a distinction between Arab people as a race and Palestinian people as a national identity. Not to mention there are Afro-Palestinians and quite white-looking Palestinians who arguably wouldn't normally be counted as Arab due to their race.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Zionists deny the existence of Palestinians. Zionists see Palestinians as generic Arabs with no history or attachment to Palestine. Zionists don’t see the Palestinians as indigenous.

The statements above aren’t what I think. Aren’t true either. They are what Zionists think. That’s why Palestinians are denied by the Israeli government and labeled Israeli Arabs.

White Palestinians, Afro Palestinians, etc… are all considered Israeli Arabs if they have Israeli citizenship. Arabs come in all shades across the Arab World and not just in Palestine.

The people who are downvoting this have no idea what they are talking about or what’s going on. It is wild but this is par the course with “Internet experts”. I am not wasting my time with people who can’t read and who don’t know the history of Zionism and Palestinian identity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

4 of your downvotes were from new, zero content accounts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I wonder if it is Act-IL or another Zionist troll group.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's possible, but there's no way of knowing unfortunately. There's also all those US PACs that are hard to keep track of, like correct the record, american bridge 21st century, and a bunch of republican ones too all devoted to defending the zionist agenda in social media spaces.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

They manipulate the web and then accuse us of being Russian or Chinese bots.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

This one says 19% rather than 4%, which I'm much more inclined to believe.

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