Progressive Politics

Or is it just you don't understand why a progressive space can see how shit the dems are.

Are you suggesting the dems can't see how shit the Dems are?

I would point out - I remember Reagan. Local and national Democratic strategies almost never recovered. They've been shit for decades. You know how long it takes to change minds? Look at us here now- just two people talking. Multiply that by 300 Million.

Walter Mondale was a fine person but a terrible choice for president. we bitched about that to deaf ears. We saw how shit dems were, if you will. And called it out.

Dukakis was a reasonable choice who campaigned like a republican and got trounced because the dems simply refuse to understand how communications work. (That, or, they're a shadow-op run by the dark lizard cabal to keep everyone enslaved. Or possibly somewhere in between.) We saw how shit dems were with that and called it out, also "progressives" were either nowhere to be seen or they were democrats.

Bill Clinton was the first time in over a decade a democratic national politician had any recognized sway since Carter. That was a long goddamned fucking decade, I can tell you. A long decade where dems were shit - and again, we called them out. Clinton did a lot of good things. He also did some terrible things that fit the political tenor of the time and were still terrible, and we called him out for that. More cops, cut down welfare, telecomm act. A lot. Got nowhere. This also happened to be the time when Fox News began destroying public debate. Which really helped. At least we didn't get into a war of choice for some bullshit reason like Oil again. And that was very much an option.

As we saw with Bush II. Who had meetings about invading Iraq before he was inaugurated and what-ho hey lookit that we invaded Iraq for bullshit reasons that everyone called out and stood on streetcorners yelling and honking and - nothing. The "progressives" weren't born then I guess or something, that was just dems who fought it. Our Democratic head of the Senate, Tom Daschle, was roundly pilloried for being as strong as a wet rag. Also got nowhere despite knowing how very much shit the dems were.

Oh by-the-by, your "progressive" ranks (I guess - who knows really) got their third party chance on a national platform. Ross Perot had borked up Bush I's chances in 1992, but here we had Al Gore (democrat) and Ralph Nader (. . . third party? I forget the party name) Anyway. Many intrepid "progressives" voted Nader and Gore lost. Which, to be fair, was his fuckup too. But had everyone voted Gore we wouldn't have had the surveillance state and war on terror we got. But hey - dems are shit, right.

Then Obama. we got somewhere. Not sure how, but getting some progressive ideas on the table made the right-wing absolutely batshit crazy. Fox News went off the fucking rails. Yes it didn't help that Obama was black but they went nuts also because the left was starting to get things done. Did Obama implement the gay space communism we so deserved? No. In fact, we gave him a year or so, and after the republican "T.E.A. Party" cheated back the majorities, he basically took this position of "well, this is what the people want" and we didn't like that at all. Gave him tons of shit for it. Because we knew the dems were being shit again.

Then Hillary. The primaries were pretty gory, and there was a lot of shitting on her as unelectable, as indeed she proved to be. You think that was "progressives" doing that? Who were the progressives in 2015? Hm? Jill Stein? Really? Putin's dinner companion? Michael Flynn's travel bud? That's your answer is it. Pathetic.

Look, you and your eight friends want to ride up and attack the castle with a frontal assault, you can have this extra crossbow but you will get slaughtered. It's just the fact. I can recount the stories of the other slaughtereds if you prefer but I doubt you do. I say again - there is one chance to avoid utter insane bullshit for four years that we or the planet absolutely can not afford. It is not third party, it is not trump. What's left? Pardon the pun.