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[–] Eximius 1 points 7 months ago (18 children)

That does look like an interesting read, but reading the abstract, he goes a bit fanatical, in that he tries to smelt the metal himself. The metal industry (and plastic) is alive and well in Europe, you can buy prepared metal, wires, microchips, buttons and other needed materials easily, down to plastic beads you can put in a mold (or more likely, just 3d print these days), given these, I don't see having a problem building a functional, albeit less aesthetically refined toaster in 2 days.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 7 months ago (16 children)

you can buy prepared metal, wires, microchips, buttons and other needed materials easily, down to plastic beads you can put in a mold (or more likely, just 3d print these days),

Do you think those appear out of thin air? Because that was my whole damn point. Those prepared items come from other parts of the world. You can't manufacture all of them in Europe and if you tried, it would take a hell of a lot more than five years and drive prices up ridiculously.

I'm not sure why you think I'm talking about final assembly when I've made it clear multiple times that I'm talking about all the steps before final assembly, many of which require global shipping.

[–] Eximius 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (15 children)

Just because the cheapest come from somewhere beyond the sea, doesn't mean there aren't local equivalents. I just bought missing motorcycle parts that are manufactured in Poland, and I do prefer German, Polish manufacture, because it's inherently more reliable and doesn't have the added guess-work for Chinese manufacturing. And yes, Europe does manufacture microchips, buttons, wires, and other components that (among many things) make new nuclear plants work.

I can agree that some materials are only available in specific regions, and so global-ish shipping would never die (and doesn't need to), but over-reliance is a long time debt that should go away.

[–] Eximius 1 points 7 months ago

There is plenty of institutional knowledge about ICE available in Europe, albeit at a premium price, because people buy more than repair old, out of only financial concerns (and money going somewhere else and not into peoples' hands). All of it seems a little bit simpler (even though made incredibly difficult due to companies' approach to reliability, repair, and marketing of "this is incredibly complex, don't touch") after you have a engineering or STEM degree of some sort.

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