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But we're comparing getting a Kei truck instead of regular truck in this part of the conversation so it actually does make sense to discuss the safety question.
The conversation you want to have is elsewhere in this post.
No, I think OP is making a valid point. If you start with a Kei and just add in modern safety features and nothing else, the size of the vehicle will be a lot closer to the Kei than the other monstrosity.
https://www.wardsauto.com/regulatory/chery-transcab-suzuki-carry-lcvs-flunk-safety-tests
I had already shared a link about modern Kei trucks in another comment, they get a safety rating of zero even with modern safety features.
I’m not saying the modern Kei must be safe. I’m saying if you do things to make it safer while prioritizing small size, you’ll end up with something a lot closer to the size of the Kei than the other car.
They literally just provided that vehicle for you….. still not safe….. because it can’t be done at that size… instead of claiming something, provide an example to show it’s even possible mate.
I'm not the person you were talking to but I'm happy to spoon feed you an answer since it was so trivially easy to find: Behold, a normal sized car with a large carrying capacity and a good safety rating.
Looks like it can hold about a third of the capacity of the truck and a 1/10 of the towing? Yeah they aren’t comparable when you account for what matters. It has a bed is about the lowest a factor when looking for a truck, capacity and towing is what people look for.
But of course people deflect from these and just spout it’s the same bed size like that matters?
Let's be honest, the bed size doesn't matter either since the majority of the trucks you see on the road are carrying nothing more than a LARPing driver -- that's why they keep making them smaller and smaller.
But the numbers you pulled out of your ass weren't part of the criteria when you told us all it "wasn't possible".
Also, I absolutely adore the salty little down votes you give anyone who replies to your comment without agreeing with you, even when you demand a reply. It's like something a grumpy toddler would do.
Those numbers aren’t out of my ass, it has a towing of 1000kg, most full size trucks have 10,000…..
And why would towing and capacity not be part of the conversation…? They are literally the two most important factors when deciding on trucks.
Why does everyone deflect from the actual reasons people buy trucks and perpetuate this stupid “bed size is what matters? People who use trucks know this how car people talk about trucks…… because that’s literally not a concern for people who use trucks… you’re literally showing your bias and lack of education lmfao.
They're not pulled from your ass because they're wrong, they're pulled from your ass because you only decided they were important after your "it's not possible" didn't hold up.
Towing and capacity only matter if you actually use them and the majority of truck owners clearly don't. You can't justify the environmental and social cost of giant trucks by claiming "It can tow 10,000kg" and then never tow anything. An ebike is capable of towing "nothing".
So don't be coy. Show us a picture of your truck towing 10,000kg. Show us your neighbors truck towing 10,000kg. It's why you needed them and why you couldn't possibly drive a smaller car.
If you're going to try and insult someone's education, try not to precede it with a paragraph of barely coherent word salad. "People who use trucks know this how car people talk about trucks"?
I already showed you multiple pictures of my truck above capacity, don’t move the goal posts since you got caught being a dink.
What…? you asked for pictures at capacity and got mine at over capacity, now you’ve moved the posts and want more…? Fuck off dink.
Lmfao, try again dude. Post is even a couple hours old, so don’t claim it’s new or edited or something, why do people always lie when they get caught with their pants down wanking in the corner…?
Yep, I was wrong and you did post a photo.
See how much easier that is than convoluted shit like "research about a cars blind spot is only valid in America, even when the car is exactly the same"?
So… why aren’t the collision stats the same in these other countries if the vehicle and everything else is exactly the same…? Might be better laws, better infrastructure… yeah… no let’s blame the cars!
I'm not spoonfeeding you any more information.
Yeah, because the stats aren’t the same as already been linked above… and doing show would show how stupid you are….
Imma block you now, you’ve shown you are just a troll with your lying and fallacies, enjoy, whatever this is that brings you some amount of joy I assume?
it literally can be? You just don't need to crash it into a freight train. The reason most large vehicles are so much safer is because you are significantly more likely to kill the other person in a car crash, especially if they're in a smaller car, and if they're not, then both you and the other party will experience significantly more impact forces compared to using a smaller car, which fun fact, makes surviving crashes a whole lot easier.
Smart gets a 5 star crash rating and is smaller than a. Kei truck. It can be done. Get Smart to make a pickup, literally just stick a bed on the back of the thing.
Thats literally not how it works… like at all….
But not surprised SOMEONE would suggest it eventually…
The rednecks of America disagree
Just because some states let you register your aborted foetus doesn’t mean it’s a good idea dude….
I’m not saying at that size! I’m saying that whatever size increase you need to make a reasonably safe pickup would be closer to the small extreme (the Kei) than the large extreme.
Then you end up with the smaller trucks we already have on the market or a Maverick that has a bed so small that it's not that useful for actual truck stuff...
Surely you can imagine a truck that may or may not currently be on the market. This theoretical truck is minimally large enough to be reasonably safe, and also has a bed is as big as the trucks pictured. Like, a truck that does not have four doors and two rows of seating.
Provide one.
Provide us with a photo of your truck at capacity.
Is over capacity acceptable? The gravel was 1800#
I can't believe I missed this photo of your "over capacity" truck carrying less than the rated capacity of the cars you insisted were too small and a photo of what looks like loose pine needles.
What’s the capacity of the car? My truck is 1800lbs, the car can TOW (very important distinction that trolls want to “forget” about) 1000kg, which is 400lbs more than mine can haul, but, 9,000 less than it can tow….
What’s the cars capacity, it’s towing is 1000kg.
My trucks capacity is 850kg and 10,000kg towing. Thats an extra zero by the way in case you miss it.
Yep, lower capacity than cars half its size but a higher towing capacity that you're not actually using.
What’s the cars CAPACITY? Why are you skirting around instead of answering the simple question, I bet the cars CAPACITY is less than my truck, that’s why you won’t answer, so what is it?
Your comment is obvious lie, it doesn’t have more capacity, answer the question and you’ll realize this, instead of lying? Why? After trying to call me out, you’re gonna do this? Seriously lmfao?
1000kg, depending on fitout. Going to block you now because you're clearly never going to shut the fuck up, no matter how links people give you or how many times you're embarrassingly wrong.
What? I just said it may or may not exist. And half the point of the image we are commenting on is that car makers are making excessively large trucks so it’s very possible that such a car isn’t currently being made. I’m just asking you to use 1% of your imagination to imagine a truck that has a full size bed that is neither the Kei nor a monument to man’s hubris. Like a 90s-sized truck.
Maybe it doesn't exist because there's no market for it? 🤔
Yes, that’s a good assumption. Another possibility is that regulatory language incentivizes car makers to have larger vehicles.
It doesn’t really matter whether there’s a market or not, because the main reasons to bemoan these monstrous trucks are that they are bad for the environment, a nuisance on roads and parking lots, and more dangerous for other cars and pedestrians.
I think if the regulatory language is updated to disincentivize the monster trucks, then we’d see a market for the more 90s style trucks.
For some people, the lack of second row would cause them to not get a truck with a full size bed at all, which I don’t see as a problem.
But accidents in Canada are going down even though we buy just as many trucks so maybe the trucks aren't the issue.
From an environmental perspective, mid size and full size get the same fuel economy.
90s trucks were pretty much exactly the same size, just not as tall.
Crew cab long bed are available on ¾ ton (250/2500) format and up so that's not what people are buying if they don't do truck stuff anyway.
So if the thing doesn’t exist, why are so adamant that it’s possible…? Do you think maybe it doesn’t exist, since it’s impossible…? No… that can’t be the reason….