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I have tried Linux as a DD on and off for years but about a year ago I decided to commit to it no matter the cost. First with Mint, then Ubuntu and a few others sprinkled in briefly. Both are "mainstream" "beginner friendly" distros, right? I don't want anything too advanced, right?

Well, ubuntu recently updated and it broke my second monitor (Ubuntu detected it but the monitor had "no signal"). After trying to fix it for a week, I decided to wipe it and reinstall. No luck. I tried a few other distros that had the same issue and I started to wonder if it was a hardware issue but I tried a Windows PC and the monitor worked no problem.

Finally, just to see what would happen I tried a distro very very different than what I'm used to: Fedora (Kinoite). And not only did everything "just work" flawlessly, but it's so much faster and more polished than I ever knew Linux to be!

Credit where it's due, a lot of the polish is due to KDE plasma. I'd never strayed from Gnome because I'm not an expert and people recommend GNOME to Linux newbies because it's "simple" and "customizable" but WOW is KDE SO MUCH SIMPLER AND STILL CUSTOMIZEABLE. Gnome is only "simple" in that it doesn't allow you to do much via the GUI. With Fedora Kinode I think I needed to use the terminal maybe once during setup? With other distros I was constantly needed to use the terminal (yes its helped me learn Linux but that curve is STEEP).

The atomic updates are fantastic too. I have not crashed once in the two weeks of setup whereas before I would have a crash maybe 1-2 times per week.

I am FULLY prepared for the responses demanding to know what I did to make it crash and telling me how I was using it wrong blah blah blah but let me tell you, if you are experienced with Windows but want to learn Linux and getting frustrated by all the "beginner" distros that get recommended, do yourself a favor and try Fedora Kinoite!

edit: i am DYING at the number of "you're using it wrong" comments here. never change people.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 months ago (4 children)
  • requires a fair bit of post-installation configuration (suboptimal OOTB experience for newbies)
  • Uses btrfs by default but comes with no snapshots or GUI manager pre-configured for system restore
  • Less software availability compared to Ubuntu or Mint
  • More likely to break than Ubuntu or Mint
[–] woelkchen 38 points 5 months ago

requires a fair bit of post-installation configuration (suboptimal OOTB experience for newbies)

I'm not the biggest fan of Gnome's defaults but the regular, non-techie users want a browser (maybe Chrome instead of Firefox, depending on preference) and possibly Steam for gaming. Both are on Flathub, available from Gnome Software.

Less software availability compared to Ubuntu or Mint

The software that isn't available, isn't of interest to newbie/non-techie users.

More likely to break than Ubuntu or Mint

If anything causes breakage, it's those web tutorials telling inexperienced users to add a bunch of PPAs to do shit. "So you use Ubuntu but video playback is a big laggy on your super new, hardly upstream-supported Radeon graphics card? Easy, add this PPA with untested git snapshots of Mesa and Kernel." Yeah, no.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

requires a fair bit of post-installation configuration

This is crazy to me because of all the distros I've tested over the years Fedora Kinote is by FAR the one I've had to do the least amount of tweaking with. It's almost boring how "just works" it is. It's honestly changed my perspective of what a distro can be.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Wait until you try out bazzite for gaming or just the regular kinoite ublue images. Both are basically kinoite with more tweaks and added software on top.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Uses btrfs by default but comes with no snapshots or GUI manager pre-configured for system restore

False on Fedora Atomic.

Less software availability compared to Ubuntu or Mint

Distrobox and Nix exists.

More likely to break than Ubuntu or Mint

Mint, perhaps. For Ubuntu, this was only true in the past. And only if PPAs were used sparingly. But Snaps have been a disaster for them in this case. So much so, that even Valve told Ubuntu users to use the Flatpak for Steam instead of the Snap.

[–] lightnegative 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

even Valve told Ubuntu users to use the Flatpak for Steam instead of the Snap

Hahaha really? That's awesome. I wonder if Canonical will ever take the hint that nobody wants Snap when better, more open alternatives exist

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Yup. Here's the post as found on Mastodon by the developer that works on Steam on Linux on behalf of Valve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

More likely to break than Ubuntu or Mint

how so?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

More frequent kernel updates.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

fair enough, but its generally ok as long as maintainers wait for a few point releases beforehand.