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[–] cosmicrookie -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Activists doing things activists like to see, won't motivate many others than the people who already are motivated.

[–] poplargrove 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

others than the people who already are motivated.

We were all clueless about this at one time. Conversations like this educate people, I think it's obvious a lot more people will be upset with the emissions of private jets after this, than before the group vandalized.

[–] cosmicrookie 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But this is the point. Conversations will do it, activists like this won't. I don't think its obvious or even feasible, that many or any will change their mind about emissions based on these activists vandalizing planes.

I do support the cause, but I don't understand the means

[–] poplargrove 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I wrote that badly. I wanted to say that this sort of activism is valuable because it starts conversations like this. Which educates people, raising awareness.

[–] cosmicrookie 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Its fair but looking through the discussions here it seems like mostly people discussing the efficiency of demonstrations and supporting each other on it being the right thing to do (and a few dis agreeing on that too). But it seems like the point of the discussion is not the environmental crisis but the demonstration and vandalism

I dont see many becoming convinced or becoming aware about the environmental crisis, who were not already aware.

[–] poplargrove 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oh I didn't notice that.

Took a quick look at Reddit and it's more encouraging. Some posts have a fair number of comments about private jet emissions, others posts didn't have a single one about it.