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Satan is actually the good one; God just talked a bunch of shit and lied about how cool he was and how bad Satan was to pick up ~~chicks~~ worshippers.
Satan welcomes all people, from all walks of life, with open arms. God is a bigot who only accepts certain people, if they’re “good enough”. It’s also my understanding that God killed over 2-million people, while satan only killed 10.
Tell me how God loves me unconditionally again?
And also God apparently has so much power he could fix everything in this world with little effort. But no, he specifically creates it. God created all there is, including all the bad stuff. Murderers? Rapists? Slave owners? ...? Yep. But, "Do not question God's intentions. He works in mysterious ways."
And botflies. Don't forget botflies.
All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid
Who made the spiky urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!
All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
Amen!
There's a great DarkMatter2525 video on this. By valuing "free will" over helping people, he directly favors evil. Man rapes woman, but god doesn't help because "free will". The woman had no "free will" to prevent it. Bad guy gets what he wanted, victim gets trauma.
Like free speech for Nazis, even though they've broken the social contract and don't deserve air.
He also kills defenseless babies before they can be baptized. And if life begins at conception, why is God pubishing babies by killing them in the womb (aka stillborn)? Why do they deserve to be stuck in purgatory when they are innocent?
If God only accepts certain people, then why did He die for everybody?
Christ alive this is a loaded ask.
The New Testament was a new promise that was to change god from his old vengeful ways to his new ways.
We don’t do X anymore. We’re now gonna do Y.
Now, why did “he” die for everybody? He didn’t. Jesus was crucified, theoretically (as there is no actual proof of the event, just people talking about it later and that being deemed “good enough”), for treason.
The story is “this time god sacrificed his child for you” as a “ok we’re even now let’s stop and now I’m a good guy” PR campaign.
None of it is real and the points are made up.
The belief in a hell or in a Limbo kind of prove that paradise is not for everyone. Depends which dogmas you grew up with, at this point.
About God being sacrificed to himself, it was mainly a way to stop an old tradition of sacrificing goats every year in order to atone for sins. Now people can just say that the Christ already died for that, so they don't have to act like barbarians and kill poor animals. Which is great, to be fair.
The offer is for everyone, people choose whether or not to take Him up on it
My brother in christ, YOU made poor people.
I recall something in his favourite part of the Bible about rich men, camels, eye of a needle and heaven
Anyone surviving in a major western nation and not living on the streets in a place with no welfare is well rich in terms of camels and needle eyes
Difference is luxury houses cost money, Jesus does not
Again, depends on the dogma. There are faiths which believe that people who are ignorant of the Gospel, of Jesus, do not get into Heaven.
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-about-those-who-have-never-heard
Within our lifetimes, God reveals Himself to us. It's the following of the Holy Spirit which leads us to Jesus. However, it's next to impossible these days for the vast majority of the world's population to not hear about Jesus. God knows everyone's hearts. I think this video explains it well. However, basically everyone who has access to the comment I made and this forum has access to the Gospel. It is very much a free offering. It's also worth realising that missionary work is also important, and there's a reason why I want people to have another chance to hear about Jesus
Catholic dogma (which pre-dates whatever you follow) says unbaptised babies aren't qualified for heaven, and believers have surreptitiously baptised babies and children of non-Christian background. What good deity punishes or rewards someone for the actions of others?
What good deity punishes people for not reaching an age where they might be baptised? Especially when the dead baby is dead thanks to His ineffable plan
What good deity punishes people born before their invention for not knowing about them?
What good deity punishes people for being born in a country where that deity is unpopular
But I'm sure your version is softened so good people all get heaven.
Judaism says you have to be of one of the Jewish tribes. And that pre-dates all Christianity.
Good thing the Catholics are wrong, then
Just like everyone else. But also how would you possibly know?
Because the Bible doesn't mention water Baptism as being a strict requirement for salvation. Such as the thief on the cross. Catholics also hold other unbiblical beliefs such as purgatory, indulgences, masses for the dead, papal infallibility, etc
Story of Job is basically
They are both on team asshole
You forgot the bit where it was actually satan who ruined his life 😒
You forgot the bit where god literally destroys everything the man ever had and owned. Oh but it is alright because god gave him a new family and other stuff after that. What if Job said fuck you god you don't exist, after being left with nothing? Would god have just fucking smitten him where he stood or what? The story only works because Job keeps his faith but that does not absolve god of all the shit he did to Job.
BUT when you realize it’s an allegory for “keeping strong and continuing to work through adversity instead of giving up” and the mystical beings were made up to help the story … much like the snake that licks the file in aesops tales … it makes sense.
Most Christians do not consider Bible stories to be allegorical and suggesting as much can be called heresy.
Many, many things could be different and better if more people realized more of those stories are allegory.
Almost exactly 50% of Christians in the world are Catholics, who acknowledge that the Bible is allegorical and not literal truth.
If you are referring to fundamentalists (typically evangelicals), yes most of them do believe in the literal truth. Evangelicals in the US are about 24% of the population, and most likely Less in the rest of the world.
Me when I make things up
Part 1, Section 1, Chapter 2, Article 3 Paragraph 107 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches
And 116 further reinforces there is a literal interpretation of scripture that exists. If someone thinks the Bible is simply allegorical then they aren't a Catholic at all, nevermind Christian
I don't think your quote at all addresses the concept of whether Catholics doctrine declares the Bible to be literally true. Inerrant, yes.
I think there is confusion because the church believes that some passages should be taken literally and other symbolically, and the church will tell you which is which.
So how's that different from protestantism, except from a church existing to tell you which is which?
There are so many flavors of protestantism, it's hard to give a blanket answer.
For example, high Anglican practice and theology are almost indistinguishable from Catholic, except that the head of their Church is an archbishop (and above him theoretically the King of England) rather than a pope, and their priests can get married. That makes some historical sense, because the church was created simply because Henry the 8th wanted to divorce and the Pope wouldn't allow it.
Most mainline Protestant churches believe that it is the individual's right and responsibility to read and interpret scripture for themselves.
For the sake of semantics, the Church of England was created in 597, what Henry VIII did was excommunicate the Bishop of Rome / Pope over a divorce, thus joining the Reformation movement, albeit not for good reason.
I think it depends on the Anglican denomination. The Church of Ireland still likes to keep itself distinct from Roman Catholicism in many ways, but this is getting ahead of the conversation.
Give an answer to how interpreting the Bible as part literal and part figurative is different from how a Baptist would.
Well my point is that Satan is kind of awful too anyways. He is not exactly in opposition to the terrible things God is doing in the Bible and in fact eggs him on so it doesn't make much sense to be pro-Satan if you are anti-God.
Lucifer is cast as the villain. Of course he's shown as bad. What's incredible is that he's not shown as significantly more bad than Yahweh
Satan has death metal and titties. What's not to like?
Found Elon Musk’s alt account!
God had a pretty impressive kill count
Satan's was what? A dozen at most?
I'm glad He's imaginary. I mean I have burnt incense. Didn't realise doing so carried a death penalty according to the Bible. I just thought it smelled nice
Pretty sure divinity isn't a killstreak.
Technically, Satan is a creation of God. Otherwise christianism would be polytheistic. So even if you consider Satan as the good guy, God is still responsible for both good and evil.
Christianity is has almost always been so dangerously close to polytheism that it’s laughable it isn’t considered to be.
It’s just bureaucracy at this point, I guess it’s not polytheism if you lower everyone to “middle manager god”
Yeah, that's pretty much what it is. Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Satan, but it's "monotheistic". Uh-huh, sure.
I'm far from being Christian but to be fair you're ignoring centuries of philosophical and theological debate about those
I'm more interested in what is done in practice, and many Christians behave as if Satan is an evil god.
In the story of the Tree of Knowledge, the serpent old the truth while god lied.
Between the two of them, only God kills in the bible, and boy he does it a LOT
Not even technically, just 100% that. God created the angels, Lucifer is an angel. In practice, many Christians practice a polytheistic religion in which Satan is the bad god.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z8j3HvmgpYc Satan's guide to the Bible.