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Obviously this won’t work for all sports, but things like football, track, soccer, it would allow for de-gendered team, even allowing athletes with the skills but not the genetically-endowed physical attributes to have a place to play.

Note: I know very little about sports and being on a sports team, so please point out anything that doesn’t make sense.

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[–] kava 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A high T woman is 70 ng/dL and that already is starting to imply some sort of adrenal tumor or polycystic ovary syndrome. The normal range is a lot closer to 20~30

A low T man is ~250 ng/dL and average is around 400~500 ng/dL

A woman will not have T levels similar to men because they don't have testicles. Even the highest T females compared to lowest T men.

The only time this would be true is in 1 in 10 million cases. If that's your whole argument, then OK. It is theoretically possible if the woman has an adrenal tumor and the man is effectively castrated.

But for virtually all other cases this simply cannot happen due to human physiology.

[–] givesomefucks -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What do you not understand about 18-22?

Which, if you haven't noticed, is still the age range of a lot of Olympians and elite athletes.

Hell, some sports average under 18.

It's like you didn't even read my comment. You're just fucking insisting everything fits in your nice little division of two piles and no one else can exist.

It's the same line of thinking as transphobes...

And I have no desire to ever interact with people stuck in that thinking. And immediately regret trying to help you understand the finer points.

[–] kava 4 points 6 months ago

No I don't understand what you mean about 18-22. What difference does that make?

18-22 is a fully sexually mature adult. The testicles and ovaries are already functional by 14 in overwhelming majority of the population.

And yes I'm putting everything into two piles. Either you have testicles or you don't. If you have functioning testicles, you will always have more T than someone who doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

It's the same line of thinking as transphobes...

No it's not? You're saying things that don't make sense, if you're assigned female at birth you have ovaries (assuming no intersex condition) if you're assigned male at birth you have testicules (assuming same thing)

The ovaries produce estrogen (in three different forms E2 is the most important) And progesterone. The testicules produce testosterone and testosterone can decay into dihydrotestosterone (DHT)

If an individual has more estrogen they will have a female phenotype (essentially they will look like a woman have breasts soft skin etc...)

If an individual has more Testosterone and DHT they will have a male phenotype. ( More strength, stronger jaw, more body hair, going bald in a lot of cases)

I'm a Trans woman, the point of hormone replacement therapy is to take my testosterone away and give me estrogen instead, after a while (and possibly some surgeries for bone structure) I'll look like a woman, because that's what hormones do. In the same vein since I don't have T in my blood anymore I am losing strength, and my body hair is getting thinner (although if it could hurry up a bit!) there's nothing transphobic about acknowledging that happens, it's literally the desired effect!

If you're still confused about NB people just know that some do take cross sex hormones to achieve a more androgynous look.