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Absolutely.
Unworkable copyright maximalist take that wouldn’t help artists but would further entrench corporate IP holders.
You want to try explaining how, or is throwing basic claims it?
What, explain why "artists should pay artists that they study" is an unworkable copyright maximalist take? No, that's self evident. How it won't actually help artists, but would further entrench the corporate IP hoarders? No, I won't do that either. It's self evident. If your position is literally that artists should pay the artists that inspire them and that they study, you're a deeply unserious person whose position doesn't deserve to be seriously debated.
Uh huh. So you don't actually want to discuss, you just want to be insulting and shut down conversation?
No it's just a nonsense suggestion.
Another insult. I honestly shouldn't be surprised.
No one is insulting you. How are you going to pay he unnumbered generations of humanity from which art has grown?
It's a nonsense suggestion
It's quite insulting when you dismiss without any greater reasoning than naming an argument. It's subtle, but it wouldn't exactly fly in any kind of serious rl discussion. There's a difference between addressing an argument and simply calling it names and refusing to provide elaboration.
Obviously you can't pay dead people, nor did I say you had to. You could easily simply start, without making it retroactive.
That destroys the concept of art a free expression. Every graffiti tagger would owe dues. Art woul become an entry paid guild-like institution
I know you don't realize it, but this i dystopian shit.
It's such a self-evidently bad idea that people didnt realize you'd need it explained.
No, not necessarily. There is a huge legal difference between creating something for commercial gain vs creating it on a voluntary basis. When someone has monetized something, they are pulling in an income from which they can pay people.
When someone is doing something on a volunteer or amateur basis, they are not pulling in a similar income. We do stuff like this with our tax system all the time.
We can also draw a line between formal and informal instruction, all "learning" does not have to be the same, after all. There's no reason formal artistic training cannot be required to pay an additional fee where self-study does not. We actually already do this with more technical fields, it's even become a racket--college textbooks. Why do artists get to be exempt?
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Again, you're missing the dystopian guild-nature of art that would result from your proposal. I do not understand why this is the hill you want to die on.
College textbooks are not a racket, but rather a result of monopolization of publishing. Why would you want to limit access further?
Unlike some people, I simply enjoy interesting conversation. Not crusading to change the world by fighting for my beliefs or whatever. I like intellectual exploration and discussion.
It's not a "hill" and I'm not "dying". It's a conversation. Not my fault if I'm surrounded by internet geeks.
I don't believe you like conversation when you get so defensive of bad ideas.
There it is again, insulting. Calling me defensive and my ideas bad, but not actually elaborating. I think we've found a troll.
Are you serious.
Yes, quite. Why wouldn't I be?
At least you’re consistent!
I find that a little bit of a specious argument actually. An LLM is not a person, it is itself a commercial derivative. Because it is created for profit and capable of outproducing any human by many orders of magnitude, I think comparing it to human training is a little simplistic and deceptive.