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What Hamas Called Its Female Captives, and Why It Matters (www.msn.com)

submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/world

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So to recap the events of a couple of weeks ago:

One Hamas fighter called a group of female captives sabaya
The IDF translated that as "women who can get pregnant"
Basically the whole world got up in arms about the translation, and rightly so

What was missing from the discourse IMO was the procession on to step 4: Someone comes in and explains exactly what the word actually does mean, and why even just bringing it up in this context was an important thing, neither of which are trivial questions.

This article does a pretty good job of that, hitting the high points of:

IDF's wildly inflammatory translation aside, it is a word with explicit associations to sexual slavery, which has been resurrected in the last 10 years after it had basically disappeared as the common practice of slavery had waned, and its use in this context is an important window onto Hamas's rank and file's mindset
While of course bearing in mind that one random soldier saying one fucked-up thing isn't indicative of anything other than that soldiers (especially ones deployed against civilian populations) sometimes do and say real fucked up things

Obviously the full article has lots more detail, but that's the TL;DR

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

it's already been rebutted

What do you mean by "it," here? The IDF translation?

Israel is not at war with Hamas. Not really. They're at war with all of Gaza. They don't care whether you're a member of Hamas or not. They don't care if you're a baby or you're 99 years old.

100% agreed. I usually put "war" in quotes because it's much more accurate to describe it as a large-scale terrorist attack by the IDF (killing and threatening a helpless civilian population to influence their behavior) than anything remotely resembling a normal state-level conflict between armed combatants.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you agree, what does it matter that Hamas says bad things?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because sometimes there is more relevant information to be learned about the world and situations in it, aside from "who good guy" and "who bad guy"

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 2 weeks ago

And, again, I don't see the relevance of this information. It changes nothing as far as I can tell.