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For the abolition of work. Yes really, abolish work! Not "reform work" but the destruction of work as a separate field of human activity.
To save the world, we're going to have to stop working! — David Graeber
A strange delusion possesses the working classes of the nations where capitalist civilization holds its sway. ...the love of work... Instead of opposing this mental aberration, the priests, the economists, and the moralists have cast a sacred halo over work. — Paul Lafargue
In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic. — Karl Marx
In the glorification of 'work', in the unwearied talk of the 'blessing of work', I see the same covert idea as in the praise of useful impersonal actions: that of fear of everything individual. — Friedrich Nietzsche
If hard work were such a wonderful thing, surely the rich would have kept it all to themselves. — Lane Kirkland
The bottom line is simple: all of us deserve to make the most of our potential as we see fit, to be the masters of our own destinies. Being forced to sell these things away to survive is tragic and humiliating. We don’t have to live like this. ― CrimethInc
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Sure, but is it proportional to the money they make? Fuck no.
How much you make has never been related to how hard/strenuous the work is.
Ditch digging is a body-destroying job. But because basically any able-bodied person can do it, no individual can command a very high wage for it, because the more potential candidates there are, the more likely that there's someone who's willing to do the same job for less than you're willing to do it for.
On the other side, if there's hypothetically a very specialized job with 5 openings, 1 each at 5 different companies, and you're the one and only person with the required skillset to do it, you can basically name your price, and those 5 companies will fight each other to get you.
Acquiring skills that are as valued and rare as possible, is the way to accelerate your earning, not working as "hard" as possible.
Well, almost nothing would be. Yours is a NONargument because it completely kills the discourse. But that's beside the point. Some billionares do work hard because they happened across a smart idea and they were able to make it flourish.
Not saying that Bezos in 2023 deserves all the money he has because I dislike Amazon, but you still can't deny that it was an idea that changed in just a decade the entire way a society thinks about shopping.
Why is an overwhelming, correct argument that ends the discourse a bad thing if you already admit it's correct?
Kills the discourse = disagrees with my opinion
So because he had an idea and workers realized that idea for him and those workers make that idea be maintained for him makes it fine for them to be exploited? Also I doubt that those people at the top manage shit, they just have another workers manage this stuff for them.
That's just dingeneous and completely disregarding how things actually work. Did he clean the bathrooms? Of course not. But he did coordinate his team of workers by creating other teams of worker where at the end there were people who coded and shipped everything. If you think that would be easy to do you have a rude awakening waiting for you lmao.
I mean to say, that it is probably the hardest or among the hardest roles.
JFC...
Following this logic you don't work very hard.
The one who works hard is the worker you depend on. That worker can go work elsewhere, but you need him. Pay him his worth, because he's literally the support pillar. I'm sure you know what happens when there's no support pillar.
It's not because you tell people what to do that you work harder. Those people could have done it themselves, but they didn't have the money to start something as big as amazon. It's all about how much money you have to invest, not hard work.
Smart ideas with money to invest = hard worker
Smart ideas but poor = ???
Yeah plus even if they don't have the ideas working in a warehouse moving stuff is harder than talking and arranging things with people
i'd take a life of "how am i gonna spend this money wisely" over a life of "how am i gonna make it this month"
What I was just trying to say smart idea = hard to realize idea. Whether you have money or not. Clearly money helps.
Stewardship is hard to learn. Most people won't have the discipline not would they take the risks. I studied business.
Those people would be NOTHING if not for all other workers. It's a team game and the entire team should be rewarded and treated with respect. I'm not saying we should pay every job the same wage, I'm saying that all of the money shouldn't flow to the few select people while the rest gets scrumbles.
No, according to their merit and according to their contribution.
Being in charge of a team is literally the hardest part of the job.
Having power does not imply great effort to hold it. The bourgeois state does that, all Billionaires need do is collect profit while they sleep, or take a visit to Epstein's island.
That's based on Marxism, which only tears down everything, producing nothing.
What do you mean Marxism "only tears down everything" and "produces nothing?"